Installation of Fixture K&T

[JJWalecka]

Is it legal to just install a new light on old K&T. can't seem to get the owner to budge on removal and rewire....they just want an old light installed...

 

[Buck Parrish]

It will need to be GFCI protected - See 410.44 exception 3

 

[JJWalecka]

I apologize I don't have my code book on me...what does 410.44 exception 3 state?

Thank you

 

[letgomywago]

I apologize I don't have my code book on me...what does 410.44 exception 3 state?

Thank you

That if the circuit is gfied then you can replace stuff on non grounded circuits.

 

[Buck Parrish]

That if the circuit is gfied then you can replace stuff on non grounded circuits.

That if the circuit is gfied then you can replace stuff on non grounded circuits.

Yes, on existing

 

[Electromatic]

Look at exception #1 also. If you can find a fixture with no exposed conductive parts, then you won't need GFCI.

 

[JJWalecka]

Appreciate everyone's insight

 

[letgomywago]

Look at exception #1 also. If you can find a fixture with no exposed conductive parts, then you won't need GFCI.

Only ones I've seen that meet this are driver pendants, integrated led outdoor lights, and some nicer disk lights.

 

[readydave8]

Something about manufacturers instructions and temp rating of wire? I don't remember

 

[letgomywago]

Something about manufacturers instructions and temp rating of wire? I don't remember

Some ask for 75 or 90 insulation but there's work around with this too

 

[Fred B]

Is there a box on termination end of K&T designed for K&T? if not good luck finding insulators. Seen many that are just flying splice or improperly put into a MC box with no insulators.

Look at exception #1 also. If you can find a fixture with no exposed conductive parts, then you won't need GFCI.

Only ones I've seen that meet this are driver pendants, integrated led outdoor lights, and some nicer disk lights.

Porcelain Keyless fixture?

 

[letgomywago]

Is there a box on termination end of K&T designed for K&T? if not good luck finding insulators. Seen many that are just flying splice or improperly put into a MC box with no insulators.



Porcelain Keyless fixture?

Exposed 832 screws

 

[Electromatic]

Ha-Ha!: Nylon screws!

 

[letgomywago]

Ha-Ha!: Nylon screws!
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For holding a ceiling fixture I think you'd need something rated for the 50lbs. For a wall keyless I think that'd fly

 

[Electromatic]

The BOX has to support 50#. No word on what the screw has to do.