Installed a new LED photocell on some parking Lot lights with New Corn Cobb 150 Watt Replacement Bulbs. Breaker trips when Lights turn off. Why?

[Norman Whittom]

I installed a new photocell on some Parking Lot lights. When the photocell turns the lights off at Dawn the Breaker will trip also. I think it's a bad breaker. Going Monday to check into situation. Works fine until photocell turns lights of in the morning.

 

[ptonsparky]

Why would it be a bad breaker?
Are you sure it trips as the photocell opens, or is that what you've been told?
Do a FOP across the breaker contacts while it's under load. CK amperage.
Does the photocell control the lights directly, lighting contactor or standard contactor?

 

[Norman Whittom]

This was the complaint I got. I haven't been out there yet. Was told lights were on at night. Lights were off in the morning and the Breaker was tripped. Customer had to Reset the Breaker in order for the Lights to come back on. No Contactors involved. (5) 20 ft Pole Lights with Corn Cobb LED bulbs.

 

[ptonsparky]

An amp meter and FOP check should get you started.

PCs do have a limit as to LED load.

 

[kwired]

This was the complaint I got. I haven't been out there yet. Was told lights were on at night. Lights were off in the morning and the Breaker was tripped. Customer had to Reset the Breaker in order for the Lights to come back on. No Contactors involved. (5) 20 ft Pole Lights with Corn Cobb LED bulbs.

So they don't know when it trips. Might simply be overloaded or there is some intermittent fault and photocell isn't part of the problem.

 

[roger]

An amp meter and FOP check should get you started.

 

[Fred B]

Don't rule out a faulty photocell switch. Could be an internal fault that doesn't fully open the circuit. Even though it is a new from box.

 

[AC\DC]

Well it would seem your answer is solved in how you posed the question. If it’s works all night and has a problem ONLY when switching to off position. It’s the photo eye. Now it could be something else but sure seems like it’s that. Process of elimination. Take an amp reading and then replace the eye.
I have never had an eye do that before but everything cheap nowdays

 

[Little Bill]

With the OP only getting info from others, the breaker could have tripped on overload during the night. They only said it was tripped in the morning. Unless someone was there when the lights were still on and still there when it was light outside when the PC would being opening, then it's just a guess as to when it tripped.
Still time to check both the breaker and the PC. Also need to make sure the PC is rated for LED.

 

[LarryFine]

Temporarily connect a clock to the circuit, set it to correct time, and you can see exactly when it trips.

 

[MD Automation]

Temporarily connect a clock to the circuit, set it to correct time, and you can see exactly when it trips.

Super genius!!
Not sure I have a mechanical clock lying around anymore, but I love the cheap troubleshooting idea.

Other quick ideas...

Depending on how the PC works and your access to it, you might be able to shade the sensor (or put a bag over it) and get the lights to come on. Then you can test current draw, FOP across breaker (and PC).

And most importantly, then you can remove the shade or bag, the PC should turn the lights off and you can be right there to observe what happens.

Just thinking out loud.


Will also echo the check of the PC rating for LEDs. But, the big problem typically with LEDs is current spike at switch ON. I've been meaning to create a thread on this with some interesting problems I had 2 years ago with switching on some LEDs and the problems it caused on a custom made system we were building. That's not to say bad things could happen at switch OFF.

 

[curt swartz]

If the parking lot has security cameras with NVR you could ask them to look at what time the parking lot went dark.

 

[kwired]

If the parking lot has security cameras with NVR you could ask them to look at what time the parking lot went dark.

depending on how well lit the area is, it may be in NVR mode even with lights on?

 

[kwired]

This was the complaint I got. I haven't been out there yet. Was told lights were on at night. Lights were off in the morning and the Breaker was tripped. Customer had to Reset the Breaker in order for the Lights to come back on. No Contactors involved. (5) 20 ft Pole Lights with Corn Cobb LED bulbs.

So they don't know when it trips. Might simply be overloaded or there is some intermittent fault and photocell isn't part of the problem.

What I was getting at is photo cell likely not the problem here. Breaker likely tripping because of fault or overload sometime during the night which would still leave lights off in morning with breaker tripped. Need to know when and why breaker is tripping and not assume it trips when photo cell shuts lights off, unless it is proven that is the moment it is tripping.

 

[AC\DC]

I installed a new photocell on some Parking Lot lights. When the photocell turns the lights off at Dawn the Breaker will trip also. I think it's a bad breaker. Going Monday to check into situation. Works fine until photocell turns lights of in the morning.

Sounds like it was fine till the photo eye was put it?

 

[Norman Whittom]

If the breaker is reset during the day, are there any issues when the lights turn on at dusk?
Is it one photocell per lamp fixture? Or does one photocell control a string of lights?

I removed the Old 150 Watt Lamps and installed the Corn cobb bulbs in 4 Pole Lights with 3 heads per Light Pole operated by a photo cell. Worked fine or 4 weeks then the photo cell went bad. Replaced with a photo cell for LED lights. Worked Ok or 1 week. Then I get the call with the complaint from the customer having to turn the Breaker back on at night in order for the lights to come on. 1 photo cell for 4 pole lights.

 

[hillbilly1]

I removed the Old 150 Watt Lamps and installed the Corn cobb bulbs in 4 Pole Lights with 3 heads per Light Pole operated by a photo cell. Worked fine or 4 weeks then the photo cell went bad. Replaced with a photo cell for LED lights. Worked Ok or 1 week. Then I get the call with the complaint from the customer having to turn the Breaker back on at night in order for the lights to come on. 1 photo cell for 4 pole lights.

Were the existing 150 watts HId? New LED’s line voltage? Or direct replacement (uses existing ballast)?

 

[Norman Whittom]

Were the existing 150 watts HId? New LED’s line voltage? Or direct replacement (uses existing ballast)?

Line voltage Corn Cobb bulbs. Removed the ballast.

 

[hillbilly1]

Line voltage Corn Cobb bulbs. Removed the ballast.

 

[hillbilly1]

Line voltage Corn Cobb bulbs. Removed the ballast.

Those direct replacements are crap, thought that might be the problem if they were used.