Instructing During the Day or Night?

joe tedesco · Sep 25, 2006

Instructing During the Day or Night?

Do you teach during the day, or in the evenings? How about on weekends?

I my State of Massachusetts, we have quite a few that teach the subject of our trade.

Does your State include a list of trainers too?

bphgravity · Sep 25, 2006

Most of the apprenticeship programs (ECF, ABC, FEAT, TCCA, ect.) here in Florida hold classes in the evening. This obviously allows for the students to work full-time day hours. Many voacational and technical schools have part-time and even full time day programs for high school and career training students.

Other than that, most of your run-of-the-mill CEU courses are offered over the weekends or during trade shows.

http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/servop/testing/ceinfo/elboard/ce_list.pdf

JohnE · Sep 25, 2006

Joe,

What is involved in becoming a provider for the 15 hrs. continuing ed. and for the 600 and 150 hr. programs? Is there a limit to the # of providers?

I know a curriculum needs to be submitted, but what are the other requirements, and how do you get approved?

ryan_618 · Sep 25, 2006

I do all of the above. It really depends on the audience. Inspectors and engineers want day time classes during the week. Installers want Saturdays or evenings.

raider1 · Sep 25, 2006

I teach the apprenticeship courses in the evenings (every tuesday and wednesday from 6 to 9) and then teach continuing ed classes mostly on saturdays.

Here is a link to a pdf file with the accepted CEU providers for Utah. I teach for Bridgerland Applied Technology College.

Chris

iwire · Sep 25, 2006

ryan_618 said:
Installers want Saturdays or evenings.

It's not that is what we want, it's what we have to have.

Somehow installers don't get to say "I will be at class today" like engineers and inspectors.

Kind of sad actually, not much encouragement to voluntarily improve oneself.

joe tedesco · Sep 25, 2006

j_erickson said:
Joe,

What is involved in becoming a provider for the 15 hrs. continuing ed. and for the 600 and 150 hr. programs? Is there a limit to the # of providers?

I know a curriculum needs to be submitted, but what are the other requirements, and how do you get approved?

http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/el/forms/el_provider_application.pdf
http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/el/forms/el_provider_agreement.pdf

cpal · Sep 25, 2006

j_erickson said:
Joe,

What is involved in becoming a provider for the 15 hrs. continuing ed. and for the 600 and 150 hr. programs? Is there a limit to the # of providers?

I know a curriculum needs to be submitted, but what are the other requirements, and how do you get approved?

Contact the Board of examiners and they will forward the paper work
you need to be bonded and submit the curriculumn,

best wishes
Charlie

joe tedesco · Sep 25, 2006

Massachusetts State List

Massachusetts State List

iwire said:
It's not that is what we want, it's what we have to have.

Somehow installers don't get to say "I will be at class today" like engineers and inspectors.

Kind of sad actually, not much encouragement to voluntarily improve oneself.

Bob:

Since your company is also a Provider on the Massachusetts State List too, do they hold classes daily, or after hours, and onsite in Norwood?

JohnE · Sep 25, 2006

Charlie and Joe, thanks for the replies. I'm not personally interested in becoming a provider, I just wanted some insight into the procedure and qualifications. At least a little more that the hearsay I've been around.

With all due respect, I know one of you personally and the other through reputation, some of the providers leave much to be desired. Yourselves obviously excluded. I know there are many top notch instructors in this state, and many who fall below that benchmark.

Do either of you know if there is a limit to the number of state providers? I've heard that there is.

I could go on and on about some of the poorly run programs that a few of my guys have been in. I'm sure you've heard the stories, though.

Thanks again,

John

iwire · Sep 25, 2006

joe tedesco said:
Bob:

Since your company is also a Provider on the Massachusetts State List too, do they hold classes daily, or after hours, and onsite in Norwood?

You noticed.

Actually this is the first 'school year' in a long time that the classes are not in house. We have a nice dedicated class room facility with training equipment along with AV equipment for presentations.

I don't know the reason for the change I suspect it was an issue finding a qualified instructor that wouldn't cost more than outsourcing it.

In the past I it was 2 or 3 nights a week, I don't know the schedule this year, an apprentice mentioned to me it is now through the George W. Gould School but I am not sure on that.

JohnE · Sep 25, 2006

Bob,

You don't teach it in your spare time?

iwire · Sep 25, 2006

j_erickson said:
Bob,

You don't teach it in your spare time?

Like I have not thought of that.

Credintials....I would have to get some.

JohnE · Sep 25, 2006

I tried to ask what the credentials are, but haven't got a concrete answer. Athough I only read the links briefly.

A lot of times credentials are way overrated.

I have high credentials if we're comparing. But your code and practical knowledge blows me away.

iwire · Sep 25, 2006

j_erickson said:
A lot of times credentials are way overrated.

I agree and thanks for the kind words.

But as you know the rules is the rules I'll need the paper to ensure the students get the credit.

I did claim my time on these forums as my 'extra' 6 hours of continuing education.

JohnE · Sep 25, 2006

Again, I didn't read it thouroughly, but what exactly are the rules? I'll read them through in a little while. I'd love to fill you in on some of the classes my guys sit through.

Again, there are a lot of good providers, but it's not easy when you're working 9 - 10 hours a day and then driving an hour each way to sit in a good class for 3 -4 years.

I'd like to see more good providers closer.

iwire · Sep 25, 2006

For the last three cycles I have gone to Leo Martin's right in Norwood for my required code update, it is heavily subsidized by the shop.

Now he is a great guy and I am 'into' the NEC, still it's tough sitting through Article 250.

peter d · Sep 26, 2006

Bob as an instructor? Now that is a scary thought!!!

Although it would probably be a fun class.

JohnE · Sep 26, 2006

I've done a 15 hour review with Leo. He is a great guy. He speaks a lot at our inspector's meetings.

I know he runs a great journeyman and master's program, too.

The only drawback to his program is that it takes 4 years I believe to get your 600 hours for the J-man test. One of my guys went to the Peterson school and got the 600 hours in 2 years. This allowed him to get his license as soon as he got 4 years in working, and he didn't start the schooling until he had over a year in working.

cpal · Sep 26, 2006

j_erickson said:
I tried to ask what the credentials are, but haven't got a concrete answer. Athough I only read the links briefly.

A lot of times credentials are way overrated.

I have high credentials if we're comparing. But your code and practical knowledge blows me away.

Cori
literacy exam
Trade competency written and practical
36 credits
start pay maybe 40k
150 hours a year ceu
vaction only when it's most expensive to travel
11% of pay to state retirement
parents are convinced you are a !#$&^%^((
Admistrators believe you are robbing them
the state Gov't want's to kill your pension
and the feds take 65% of your social security

What's not to love???

Every once in a while a kid or two will thank you (for everything else theres pizza)

IM me and I will get you an application

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