Insulated GEC Identification

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Is it required that a 4 AWG insulated GEC and electrode bonding jumper be either factory green insulation or bare?
 
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No, just insulated or bare.

Roger
 
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#6 or smaller has to be factory color. others can be phased with tape
 
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JB, there is no requirement for the GEC or bonding jumper to be green.

Roger
 
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I got gigged for it yesterday and I'm very not happy about it.

Another thing.

Suppose you convey your frustration over something like this to someone who insists you must be wrong because the inspector obviously knows more than you do and the only respectable thing to do is comply with the all wise (although incorrect) inspector?

I want to use some of your guys' posts to straighten this fool out.

And thanks for the extraordinarily rapid responces.

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[ November 30, 2005, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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As far as I can find there's only (I think) 250.119 for EGC's. I can't find anything for GEC's.

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[ November 30, 2005, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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This clown wanted me to strip the insulation off.

Hell no. That helps protect the conductor. :mad:
 
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Perform a search on this topic Sam. We have discussed this here several times. There is positively no NEC requirement for GEC identification or marking.

Good luck with your inspector. :eek:
 
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Physis, last week, I was in the same deal. This particular inspector habitually insists on things that are not required by code, although some things aren't so bad anyway that he asks for. Last week he would not pass a commercial job because the phone stub up conduits above the top plates in the drop ceiling did not have a bushing on them. So I said yes sir, and stuck bushings on them, and next day passed with flying colors. I could of tried to fight it but what the heck. By the way, most of the time I do use plastic bushings on phone drops, but this one time I didn't have any on my truck. It just gets my goat that he insists that it is code and won't allow any further conversations about the subject.
 
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Originally posted by physis:

I want to use some of your guys' posts to straighten this fool out.
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In that case, don't your inspector try to use section 310.12. (B) applies to EGC's as we all know. (C) applies to diferentiating between the ungrounded conductors and grounded or grounding conductors. A GEC is not a grounding conductor, although the definition is easily misaplied to appear that way. A grounding conductor does in fact connect to a grounding electrode (as expressed in Article 100), however, it is used for the connection to supplementary electrodes, as discussed in 250.54. The conductor you speak of is not a "grounding conductor", it is a grounding electrode conductor. If it weren't you wouldbe violating section 250.24(A), which requires a grounding electrode conductor, not a "grounding conductor".
 
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He got me for not bonding the gas pipe too. No gas dryer or any other gas and electric appliances. But after looking it up in 250 it says "may become energized". That essentially includes intentional energizing, which always "may" happen. Stupid language there.
 
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By Ryan:

In that case, don't your inspector try to use section 310.12. (B) applies to EGC's as we all know. (C) applies to diferentiating between the ungrounded conductors and grounded or grounding conductors. A GEC is not a grounding conductor, although the definition is easily misaplied to appear that way. A grounding conductor does in fact connect to a grounding electrode (as expressed in Article 100), however, it is used for the connection to supplementary electrodes, as discussed in 250.54. The conductor you speak of is not a "grounding conductor", it is a grounding electrode conductor. If it weren't you wouldbe violating section 250.24(A), which requires a grounding electrode conductor, not a "grounding conductor".
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I'm interested in convincing this "sorta" friend of mine that I can be right and an inspector can have his head up something. His world view dosn't seem to allow for this possibility.

Edit; That's an interesting point Frank. I don't think it's true off hand but I'd have look at it more.

[ November 30, 2005, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
 
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Ryan,

I do not see any mention of a GEC in 250.119 ,did I miss it? My point was it says Green for EGC,not GEC,so by putting green tape on a GEC ,are you violating the code ??

We always seek the 'edge' here at MH forum.
 
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