Is AFCI required here

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ramsy said:
Can penetrations be sleeved with PVC to qualify as a chapter 3 wiring method between floors?
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To qualify as a chapter 3 wiring method it must be continuous from "box to box". Conductors pulled inside would need to be from 310 also. flexible cord is not covered in 310.
 
hbiss said:
I agree, so it depends. Does this dishwasher have a line cord usually secured with a Romex connector going into a J box or wiring compartment? Then you certainly can remove it. However, if the line cord goes directly into the appliance with no way to get at it then you consider it permanently attached.

It's been awhile, but I never saw a DW with a line cord. Usually I would bring the supply up through the floor, put a 1900 box on it with a disconnect switch and from there to the DW. That way you can remove the bottom DW panel and reach in to get at the switch. The 1900 box isn't fastened to anything so the DW can be slid into place.



NOPE!! Flexible cords cannot pass through floors or walls, period.

-Hal
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Dishwasher has some specific allowances in 422.16, basically it can have the receptacle in adjacent space to the appliance itself
 
hbiss said:
..I would bring the supply up through the floor, put a 1900 box on it with a disconnect switch and from there to the DW. That way you can remove the bottom DW panel and reach in to get at the switch. The 1900 box isn't fastened to anything so the DW can be slid into place.
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That could be brilliant for inspectors who deliberately check for a disconnect, but I doubt many of them are checking for it.
 
ptonsparky said:
The last I knew, dishwashers were appliances. Refer to 422.5(A).

If you are under the 2020
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But they're not one of the items listed under (A)(1) through (5). Anyhow, the point that I was trying to make is that hard-wired stuff still needs AFCI in this case.
 
brother said:
The gfci can be anywhere in the house so long as its 'readily accessible', even though I am use to seeing it close by. Is there reason why the dishwasher cannot be hardwired behind it and have enough flex or romex to be able to move it out? Or what about installing the (gfci?)receptacle under a sink in the kitchen and having a cut out for the cord to pass through the cabinet sides? assuming the dishwasher is installed right by a sink. (cabinets sides are not walls so there is no nec violation as far as I know),
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jmho....
motorized stuff needs a local disco (male cord cap) w/in sight , most DW's can't be lotto'd.....~RJ~
 
Not sure of the mfg intent but cord come out of DW in center front bottom with no right angle, straight down, you'd have to force kink the cable to side to get it toward a receptacle, bottom completely sealed pan, no ko spot that would allow hard wired. It is some German European import, no name I've ever heard of Miele, way over $2000 to almost 3G.
 
Miele makes a freestanding dishwasher and at built-in model.
May need to call customer support, and re-order proper model.
 
rnatalie said:
But they're not one of the items listed under (A)(1) through (5). Anyhow, the point that I was trying to make is that hard-wired stuff still needs AFCI in this case.
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....(7) Dishwashers.

As I see the original install with the receptacle in an unfinished basement, the AFCI is not required. The GFCI is.

Moot points anyway. It wasn't a legal install to begin with so now it should be brought to whatever current code is for the area.
 
ptonsparky said:
....(7) Dishwashers.

As I see the original install with the receptacle in an unfinished basement, the AFCI is not required. The GFCI is.

Moot points anyway. It wasn't a legal install to begin with so now it should be brought to whatever current code is for the area.
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That number (7) is not in the 2017
So I'm in process in trying to figure out where I can put a receptacle and have it accessible, DW is not adjacent to the sink cabinet and cabinet on sides are not "good" options to have cord protected form damage or accidental partial removal and associated hazards.
It's sad that the "safest" option is also the noncompliant option.
 
I haven’t ran across one yet that has a factory cord and plug, but apparently they are out there. Just hooked one up last night that had a terminal block, all I’ve done before, had a pigtail. Real pain in the a** getting the wires under the screws.
 
As far as I know all Bosch, Thermador, Miele and Cove (Subzero/Wolf) come with cords that plug into the back of the appliance. With Bosch/Thermador you can order the hardwired kit with is the same plug in cord but it has a plastic 4sq junction box at the end of the cord instead of a 5-15 plug.

99% of the projects we do use one of the dishwasher brands I listed above. I have not had to install a cord on a dishwasher in years.

Miele installs cords on all of their appliances including built in ovens. They require factory certified installers if you want a warranty. By having everything cord connected the installers don't have to touch the buildings electrical system.
 
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