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Set up:

Daycare/Pre-School Bathroom, sink & toilet
Water Fountain
His & Her Water Closets, toilet w/exhaust fan, ceiling light & duplex receptacle in each.

Currently all of the above are controlled by the GFI in the Bathroom

Question:

Is GFI protection required for the Water Closets?

I have looked at 2014 210.8 (B) and I conclude No.
 
1793 said:
Set up:

Daycare/Pre-School Bathroom, sink & toilet
Water Fountain
His & Her Water Closets, toilet w/exhaust fan, ceiling light & duplex receptacle in each.

Currently all of the above are controlled by the GFI in the Bathroom

Question:

Is GFI protection required for the Water Closets?

I have looked at 2014 210.8 (B) and I conclude No.
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What is a water closet?

It sure sounds like a bathroom

From article 100
Bathroom. An area including a basin with one or more of
the following: a toilet, a urinal, a tub, a shower, a bidet, or
similar plumbing fixtures.
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iwire said:
Yes, son of a plumber here and yes he would call a toilet a water closet but it sounded like the OP was treating water closets as a room.
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Yes, I'm calling a room with only a toilet, no basin, a Water Closet, could not think of any other descriptor for this room.
 
iwire said:
So you have one room with a sink that is connected to two other rooms with toilets?
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Nope, one full bathroom.

In another area are two classrooms that have room(s) with just a toilet. The sink, basin, for washing hands is outside of the toilet room(s).
 
1793 said:
Nope, one full bathroom.

In another area are two classrooms that have room(s) with just a toilet. The sink, basin, for washing hands is outside of the toilet room(s).
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So you're asking if the toilet rooms need GFCI protection?
 
1793 said:
Nope, one full bathroom.

In another area are two classrooms that have room(s) with just a toilet. The sink, basin, for washing hands is outside of the toilet room(s).
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I am confused as I was under the impression building or health codes require a sink with a toilet.
 
In my area, plumbing codes have changed to require the sink in the same space as the toilet. Previously, a popular school design was to place the sinks outside the toilet space so the students could be monitored.
 
iwire said:
The NEC does not require anything in that space.

If the room only has a toilet it is not a bathroom to the NEC.
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Even if it is a "bathroom" it's in a non dwelling unit, therefore not requiring a receptacle. But....if there is a receptacle, I think it would need GFCI protection.
 
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Is this Daycare in a one or two family home?
Are there receptacles required?
Commercial building = none required.
Water closet = bathroom with receptacle = GFCI right?
Despite all of the above, within 6 ft. of a sink = GFCI
In an area frequently occupied by children with water, this is a no-brainer. GFCI
Am I missing something here?
 
nysprkdude said:
Is this Daycare in a one or two family home?
Are there receptacles required?
Commercial building = none required.
Water closet = bathroom with receptacle = GFCI right?
Despite all of the above, within 6 ft. of a sink = GFCI
In an area frequently occupied by children with water, this is a no-brainer. GFCI
Am I missing something here?
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Tamper Resistant.
 
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No offense intended but please don't say "Tamper-proof."
As an inspector, I hear that all day.
It's "Tamper resistant."
And I agree that TR is required.
Sorry, that's like hearing "Carbon Dioxide" detector.
And....nothing is "anything proof."
To quote an old saying: "If you 'Idiot Proof' something, they'll just adapt better idiots.":)
 
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