Island with Overhang GFCI Question

[LarryFine]

Where's the end?

 

[charlie b]

I disagree . . . Does that make sense?

It never makes sense to disagree with me, George. :grin:

I understand your reasoning. But it did not address what I said in my post #36 above. So while we are in the mode of evaluating key phrases, let me restate that a key phrase is in 210.52(C), well before you get to sub-paragraph (5).

Comments?

 

[George Stolz]

It never makes sense to disagree with me, George. :wink: :grin:

I never do it lightly, Master Beck.

I think that anything within "the box" that is an island counts as being "for countertop spaces."

It's not unusual for an additional receptacle to be installed to comply with the 6/12 rule on peninsulas, where the peninsula serves as a room divider. Although the receptacle is installed on the peninsula, it is intended to serve the wall space that the peninsula creates. Article 210 uses the phrase "to serve" quite a bit; the way I see it, it's no different than how we apply GFCI requirements when dealing with a fridge next to the countertop. The receptacle is not intended to serve countertops, but an appliance - so it is not required to be GFCI protected.

If the receptacle is not intended to serve the countertop, then it need not worry about the overhang, IMO.

 

[charlie b]

If the receptacle is not intended to serve the countertop, then it need not worry about the overhang, IMO.

I think that is the way things ought to be. I just can't seem to get there from the way the article is presently worded.

 

[romeo]

Island with Overhang GFCI Question

Those islands with overhangs are a tough situation. It was nice of your inspector to offer you a design idea. The way it seems to me, if you affix that proposed WM box no more than 6" back from the lip of the overhang, you're good to go.

This is an area where some manufacturer's need to step up to the plate with some specific products.

I totally agree. This is not new, designers,builders and cabinet makers are aware of the requirement but continue to ignore it. This inspector has taken a no tolerance attitude. A little help from electrical contractors who refuse to
create this violation would help.

Romeo

 

[frizbeedog]

Where's the end?

When cat's start driving.

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