It Never Ceases To Amaze Me
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jeff43222
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Re: It Never Ceases To Amaze Me
Al and I deal with the same inspectors, and I think it's safe to say this particular installation was never seen by any of them.
Al and I deal with the same inspectors, and I think it's safe to say this particular installation was never seen by any of them.
al hildenbrand
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: It Never Ceases To Amaze Me
Hi Jeff,
You're absolutely right. This has never been inspected. It's near the U of M right on the river.
The thinking, loosely called "thinking", that resulted in this is in the realm of folly. I'll get two more snaps tomorrow.
Hi Jeff,
You're absolutely right. This has never been inspected. It's near the U of M right on the river.
The thinking, loosely called "thinking", that resulted in this is in the realm of folly. I'll get two more snaps tomorrow.
DaveTap
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- Currently Flowery Branch, GA
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Its probably "grounded" to the PVC water pipes...LOLOriginally posted by LawnGuyLandSparky:
To hell in a handbasket, apparently!Originally posted by big john:
That's one of the most jury-rigged setups I've seen in a long time.Mass hysteria!
Where the heck is that EGC going all by itself??
-John
ramdiesel3500
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- Bloomington IN
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I bet it goes through a hole in the wall and outside to a dedicated ground rod driven just for that box!!!!
DaveTap
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- Currently Flowery Branch, GA
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oh now that would be classic... LMAOOriginally posted by ramdiesel3500:
I bet it goes through a hole in the wall and outside to a dedicated ground rod driven just for that box!!!!
al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: It Never Ceases To Amaze Me
The yellow 12/2 goes downstream to feed a builtin ironing board. After building the box, to get the EGC, the bare was run off around the corner to another NM & plastic box on another circuit that had a "working" EGC.
The 1958 TW & 1/2" flex shown goes up to a wall sconce. After getting a "real" EGC with the bare copper, the wall sconce was left floating. The Truth-In-Sale-Of-Housing inspections evidently didn't note this.
It's almost that good.
The yellow 12/2 goes downstream to feed a builtin ironing board. After building the box, to get the EGC, the bare was run off around the corner to another NM & plastic box on another circuit that had a "working" EGC.
The 1958 TW & 1/2" flex shown goes up to a wall sconce. After getting a "real" EGC with the bare copper, the wall sconce was left floating. The Truth-In-Sale-Of-Housing inspections evidently didn't note this.
al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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al hildenbrand
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al hildenbrand
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al hildenbrand
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Re: It Never Ceases To Amaze Me
Here are two more pics:
The first was behind a single gang plaster ring. I particularly like the long, thin shaving of cable sheath hanging in the box:
And this is how the home runs enter the panel:
Here are two more pics:
The first was behind a single gang plaster ring. I particularly like the long, thin shaving of cable sheath hanging in the box:
And this is how the home runs enter the panel:
LawnGuyLandSparky
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I don't think there's any question that this is the work of a completely clueless, DIYer. It's doubtful even a totally clueless homeowner would pay for this work.
I don't think there's any question that this is the work of a completely clueless, DIYer. It's doubtful even a totally clueless homeowner would pay for this work.
peter d
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- New England
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Where are the violations?
Where are the violations?
peter d
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- New England
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At least, in the picture of the J-box above, someone has attempted to tie the romex in a knot to avoid it from being pulled out of the box.
The sad truth is.... this type of work is why when you watch the news fires are, it seems, 90% of the time attributed to electrical origins.
Pete
At least, in the picture of the J-box above, someone has attempted to tie the romex in a knot to avoid it from being pulled out of the box.
The sad truth is.... this type of work is why when you watch the news fires are, it seems, 90% of the time attributed to electrical origins.
Pete
LawnGuyLandSparky
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Don't believe the news or the fire investigators. They're all "perfect" forensic detectives who ALWAYS seen to be able to figure out what caused EVERY fire. Uncanny, isn't it?
Just about every fire that isn't obviously caused by arson or some other obvious cause is blamed on electrical.
"Was there a heater in the bedroom?" "Yes, there was." "Well the heater must've caused it..."
Don't believe the news or the fire investigators. They're all "perfect" forensic detectives who ALWAYS seen to be able to figure out what caused EVERY fire. Uncanny, isn't it?
Just about every fire that isn't obviously caused by arson or some other obvious cause is blamed on electrical.
"Was there a heater in the bedroom?" "Yes, there was." "Well the heater must've caused it..."
big john
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- Portland, ME
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Al hildenbrand, what's the story behind these photos? Seeing how incredibly amature that second picture is, I'm amazed anything works. Are you just in the process of opening all the j-boxes looking for additional problems?
-John
Edit: To be clear, I don't mean the photos are amature, I mean the work in the photos is amature.
[ February 23, 2006, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: big john ]
Al hildenbrand, what's the story behind these photos? Seeing how incredibly amature that second picture is, I'm amazed anything works. Are you just in the process of opening all the j-boxes looking for additional problems?
-John
Edit: To be clear, I don't mean the photos are amature, I mean the work in the photos is amature.
[ February 23, 2006, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: big john ]
jeff43222
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Actually, I think Al's pictures are very well done. Apart from being a master electrician, he's clearly a fine photographer.
I've got your back, Al.
Actually, I think Al's pictures are very well done. Apart from being a master electrician, he's clearly a fine photographer.
I've got your back, Al.
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