journeyman required?

[electricman2]

Re: journeyman required?

Roger

In my state Of NC, the license requirement is not the norm for most municipalities, and as Jim said, it is not required in his area

I'm not sure I understand your post. In the part of NC where I live, I don't know of any government entity, county or munincipality that will issue a electrical permit to anyone without a valid license except if the work is done by the property owner.

 

[roger]

Re: journeyman required?

John, I guess I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about state compentency licenseing.

You are right, to be able to contract or perform electrical work for a fee, you must have or work under a state issued license.

This thread is dealing with Journeyman licenses at local levels.

Bob, 2 to 1, not yet.

Roger

 

[kiss]

Re: journeyman required?

In NY there is no license for journeyman, but with this license is there a minimum $$ that a contractor has to pay to a licensed electrician ?
What if you don't have this license, does it mean you can't work as an electrician?
How much previous experience do you need to get this license? Is there a test?

 

[roger deas]

Re: journeyman required?

Kiss, I can't answer the NY part of your question, but on these parts

What if you don't have this license, does it mean you can't work as an electrician?

that is what it means in the city of Asheville NC, or you will have to work under a Journeyman or higher on the job card holder.

How much previous experience do you need to get this license? Is there a test?

yes there is a test and you must have 8000 hrs of experience with proof, or 4 years of an approved training course .


Roger

[ December 22, 2003, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: roger deas ]

 

[bill addiss]

Re: journeyman required?

kiss,

Things are different all over NY State it seems.
You're going to have to be a lot more specific with your questions to get accurate answers. And are you talking about working as an Electrician for a company, or directly for the customer?

Bill

 

[brian john]

Re: journeyman required?

You better hope I never make king. I would require

Electrician license for Basic electrician

Fire Alarm Electrician

Electrical Test Electrician

Commercial High Voltage Electrician

Not that I want more bureaucracy, but I’m tired of seeing non-qualified electricians screwing up things they know noting about. Many folks think just because you have a license you’re a FULLY qualified electrician. Some of the best control electricians I would not wiring a house.

Having said that holding a license does not necessarily make you an a good electrician, but it is a start.

I’ve never understood the lack of wanting a license. I got my first license at 21, four years to the date I started working as an electrician’s apprentice, two years later I got my first masters. I always figured more license’s showed get up and go and a knowledgeable employee, which should show up in my wallet.

 

[kiss]

Re: journeyman required?

BILL

Since I am not familiar with this type of license
I just wanted some basic INFO. Can you work for the customer directly with this license?
If you have this license can you expect a minimum rate of pay just because you are a licensed journeymen?

 

[hurk27]

Re: journeyman required?

I wish there was a national license that would allow us to go from state to state. even on a state level it would stop most of the differant code that we deal with in each and every city, town, and county. as this gets confussing somtimes when you got to remember which town want what. I do agree that some areas has to have codes to meet there area. Like for Fire zones or earthquakes, or even huricanes. but most of these code deal in building codes and very little electrical. Around here it feels like your going from one country to another, without leaving the state.

 

[speedypetey]

Re: journeyman required?

I vote for Brian John for King. Oh wait, you don't vote for king. *I could go into a Monty Python recital but I won't.*

KISS- In fact I was told they don't want a licensed man working for another licensed man. Go figure. :roll: :roll: They say it will create bad competition and the worker will try to steal clients away. So a$$ backwards.
The license test was a joke anyway.

I vote for real journeyman certification in NY State!

 

[brian john]

Re: journeyman required?

Hurk:

I agree on the different code's in our area only one jurisdiction has their own code, Washington DC, problem is they don't rework their code often enough. Could not tell you what code cycle they are on, but typically they are 3 or 4 behind. I asked several electricians and they have no clue regarding DC code cycle. So the DC GOV's extra work to have a CODE above and beyond the NEC get's them nothing that I can see.

A national license that was good in at least the states that adopt the NEC would be a start. In some of the smaller jurisdictions around here (prior to state licensing) it was almost impossible to get a license. The local contractor’s sat on the licensing board and would not approve out of towners, which is why the state took over. The local's still try to put up road blocks , but with diligence one can get a license.

 

[batch]

Re: journeyman required?

I have a Florida State Certificate of Competency as a certified electrical sign contractor. That is the Florida state masters lic. for signs. You would be issued the same for General Electrical.

Florida Contractor Lic. a widely reciprocated through out the nation. I posted that info in reference to the national lic.

In Florida a STATE lic contractor is not required to have any Lic. Jman under him or on the job. County lic. contractors in South Florida were required to have a Lic Master/Jman/helper ratio. I think it was three helpers to a jman. This had very rare and sporadic enforcement.

Before I got a Jman lic I had one inspector in one city stop me from working several times until a lic man was on the job...

I am a strong proponent for Jman lic.

As for Florida pay. it has increased quite a bit lately. Our company has quite a few of unlicensed leadmen that make more then $20 an hour. Still their is also a large section of employees both immigrant and citizens that will work for $10 to $15 an hour.

The ones who make the lower wage almost always do poor jobs. They cite a lower wage as why they don't do work to code and show no belief that an improperly installed job can cause a fire or death.

 

[bill addiss]

Re: journeyman required?

BILL

Since I am not familiar with this type of license
I just wanted some basic INFO. Can you work for the customer directly with this license?
If you have this license can you expect a minimum rate of pay just because you are a licensed journeymen?

Kiss,

Ah, ... I thought from your previous question that you were asking questions about Licensing rules in NY. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Being from NY myself I don't have the answers to what a Journeyman can and can't do in other areas.

Bill