Journeyman requirement!

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Alexanderamer

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Hi Guys!,
my question is
i wondering if there is away to short 8000 hours training under master electricity ,i mean by that if there is school give courses or ceritificate instead of completing 8000 hr training .
i want short cut instead of spending 4 years to be qualified I go to school for 2 or one year and be qualified ?

thank you for you all!
 
Alexanderamer said:
Sorry if didn't understand about 2 jobs what you man by that ?
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If you work 8 hours a day at one job for 5 days of a week, AND in the same week work another 8 hours a day for 5 days, you will be able to do 8000 hours of on-the-job training in 2 years.

Alexanderamer said:
And About the school what u mean by that ?
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This will be slightly different from location to location, but, generally, 2 years of full time education will be counted as 1 years (2000 hours) of on-the-job training.
 
Alexanderamer said:
Sorry if didn't understand about 2 jobs what you man by that ?

And About the school what u mean by that ?
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The 2 jobs thing is a joke. You will need a good sense of humor to be an electrician. Even when I was young I would normally start to burn out after working 80 hours a week for 6 months so I doubt if most people could/would stand it for 2 years.

It's a good idea to get some formal training along with your hands on experience.
 
growler said:
It's a good idea to get some formal training along with your hands on experience.
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I agree with growler.

If you are at all awake while you work on the job, and you take current and voltage readings, you will see things that will challenge your sense of reality. The more solid your understanding of electrical theory, the easier your growth into the unseen world that makes power and light installation safe and workable.
 
you want to become a license electrician - put in the time - do the work - don't cut corners -- life safety is at risk for the public for those who do without experience & obtain credentials IMHO --
 
jumper said:
Does not look like Texas will substitute education hours for on the job training.
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Wow. Look at that. And only 4 hours a year for continuing education.

To not incentivize theoretical education is a mistake, in my opinion.

Is it possible to reduce the NEC to an Ikea-like wordless assembly instruction sheet that can be applied in the real world on existing installations? ?
 
mwm1752 said:
you want to become a license electrician - put in the time - do the work - don't cut corners -- life safety is at risk for the public for those who do without experience & obtain credentials IMHO --
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If a person is just wiring houses then 4 years may seem like it's forever to work as an apprentice. I would suggest that during apprenticeship training that they use this time to get some varied experience (commercial and industrial).

Once you see the wide vatiety of electrical jobs available then 4 years to learn a trade doesn't seem long at all. I know I'm still learning.
 
In reading the Texas licensing requirements, Texas does seem to have a "Residential Wireman" license that only asks for 4000 documented hours under a master.
 
al hildenbrand said:
I agree with growler.

If you are at all awake while you work on the job, and you take current and voltage readings, you will see things that will challenge your sense of reality. The more solid your understanding of electrical theory, the easier your growth into the unseen world that makes power and light installation safe and workable.
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Thank you AL.

I used to know a really good electrician that only had hands on type experience. He made it up to job foreman but he always really wanted to get his license but just couldn't pass the test. He failed the test so many time he just gave up.

Plus: For a kid just starting out today I think things are going to get a lot more complicated in the comming years.
 
I remember browsing a book some time ago on how very successful people got that way. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Wayne Gretzky and a few others. It also looked at how one gains skill in any craft, craft being very broadly defined. One of the key takeaways was that to be truly top-flight at what you do, whether it's musician or mechanic, you need about 10,000 hours of practice.

OK, did a quick Google, and the book is Outliers: The Story of Success by Malcolm Gladwell.
 
growler said:
If a person is just wiring houses then 4 years may seem like it's forever to work as an apprentice. I would suggest that during apprenticeship training that they use this time to get some varied experience (commercial and industrial).

Once you see the wide vatiety of electrical jobs available then 4 years to learn a trade doesn't seem long at all. I know I'm still learning.
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Just wiring new houses could get old unless they're all custom, which would be rare. The part of the job I enjoy is giving people new devices/fixtures/equipment in their existing house.

Troubleshooting is fun as long as you're being paid hourly to troubleshoot or you can just make up whatever price you want.

People always tell me to find a niche and excel at that, but then that sort of sounds boring after awhile.

I agree with the initial point. Just put in the time. Sounds like OP is just looking for a fast-track to the paycheck. If you actually learn how to do the job well, I suppose I don't care.

Or maybe OP already has all the experience, it's just under the table.
 
I thought an apprentice could not log in any more the 2000 hours per year to prevent "the fast track to journeymen" ie. (cook the books) like I heard of it done 30 years ago.
 
Knuckle Dragger said:
I thought an apprentice could not log in any more the 2000 hours per year to prevent "the fast track to journeymen" ie. (cook the books) like I heard of it done 30 years ago.
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I would guess that each state has their own rules for how requiements are to be met.

I was kind of joking when I suggested he could get two jobs.
 
jaylectricity said:
Just wiring new houses could get old unless they're all custom, which would be rare. The part of the job I enjoy is giving people new devices/fixtures/equipment in their existing house.

Troubleshooting is fun as long as you're being paid hourly to troubleshoot or you can just make up whatever price you want.

People always tell me to find a niche and excel at that, but then that sort of sounds boring after awhile.

I agree with the initial point. Just put in the time. Sounds like OP is just looking for a fast-track to the paycheck. If you actually learn how to do the job well, I suppose I don't care.

Or maybe OP already has all the experience, it's just under the table.
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I have never wired the same house more then once, I have never done tract housing, every home I ever wired was a one of a kind though there may be similarities to some of the others.

I have had repetition many times in non residential things I have worked on, yet each one still seem to have some individuality to it.

I do agree OP may be looking for fast track to the paycheck. This is one trade where that is not necessarily good no matter how much dedication you have to your work. There is just too much to learn to get it all in such a short time, unless you do limit yourself to only one particular area such as residential work only.

Where I think one learns the most is if they are involved in troubleshooting. That is where you often see how those shortcuts you learned to take when installing don't always work out and why you were told to do it another way when you see what happens when things fail. Or if the failure wasn't that catastrophic, you at least need to be taught that coming back to fix it cost someone some $$$
 
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