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Well just to start, Im the journeman, so utimately Im responsible. So I man up and take the blame. Had an apprentice that was learning the trade, we were pulling some circuits (lots of wires, full boat gutters) and they got one wire mixed up. We did catch the mistake, but the mistake didnt look good with the supervisor. Boss man didnt seem upset, actually seem happy. Pretty laid back. I just felt like kicking myself for not catchin their mistake and thinking they had it all down after the other pulls we did. Though im not ready to turn in license yet, but cant help feeling like a boob:-? . Ive been a journey for a few years.

Got a #12 mixed up with #14. all the others were correct, after showing them how to make up the head and do color coding and telling them to get the wire, apparently there was 1 roll of #14 mixed in with all the #12 and it did not have the label on the side. Only thing good is that it was a quick fix. Only 7 wires (#14) needed to be replace. short distance.

Oh and another thing was 1 wire that they got the color code wrong (ckt 22 red not black lol), all others (ckt 22's were righ color red) right.

Just goes to show, sometimes you have to watch every little tidbit when training them. I suppose if theres walking papers, I cant say anything, it was my failure of oversite of the apprentice. Ok Im down VENTING.
 
That's what happens when you add in the human element. Now and then mistakes slip past us. Fix it and move on. Don't beat yourself up over it. That was a minor catch.

Shoot howdy, I had an apprentice shut down all the business line contact centers for GTE in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana under my watch. It's amazing what 6 breakers control. :grin:
 
paul said:
That's what happens when you add in the human element. Now and then mistakes slip past us. Fix it and move on. Don't beat yourself up over it. That was a minor catch.

Shoot howdy, I had an apprentice shut down all the business line contact centers for GTE in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana under my watch. It's amazing what 6 breakers control. :grin:
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Wow!! makes me wonder why on earth they would have everthing dependent on those few breakers. Yes we have to suck it up and move on. Also remember to keep the #14 s away from #12 s ;)
 
Don't sweat the small stuff. I was pulling in an 80' run of feeders once. Got a real sick feeling in my stomach when the end of the wires went thru the pipe & the guys on the other end didn't even get the sock. :cool: :grin: I was the one who measured for the run. ;)
 
Engineering a job as we were doing it. Building has panels all over the place. Area we were working in has 3, two are pretty full but the other one looks good. Pipe in and surface mount about twenty outlets on the wall, pull in 10 or so circuits to the panel. Start to tie in and realize that it's a straight three phase panel, no neutral.

I would have felt worse about it except that two of us looked at it.
 
I'd look at it this way.. Do you ever make mistakes? If so who do you blame? I blame myself for my own mistakes. I agree that running 14 with a 12 pull is hard to do.. But how much experience are we talking bout here? And you can't watch every little thing. I'm sure your apprentice learned something.
 
Thats not as bad as having to tell an electrician w/30 yrs experince that he was pulling in too small a ground for the 30Amp circuit. He was pulling in a #12 ground with #10 circuit conductors that were on a 30 amp breaker. I told him he needed a #10 ground not #12. He actually had to go get his "Uglys" to make sure I was right. Now thats bad.
 
I've never had the 12 vs. 14 problem because we aren't allowed to use it in the City. Go figure.

#10 ground on a 30a circuit? Show me that in the NEC?
 
Aaah, the good ol' days....

Aaah, the good ol' days....

Up through 1962, you could use #14. (Article #907 up to 1930s, #2595 1937 to 1959, then it became Table 250.95).
For the '65 Code cycle, #12 was required.
In 1968, #10 was required, and has been ever since.
In 1999 it became 250-122.

So unless you've been a-pullin' wire since Kennedy was in the Oval Office, Square D quit making XO breakers, and you've been asleep like Rip Van Winkle, you should know to use #10 on a 30a circuit.
 
Are U kinding me . . . set up a pull today, called out the footage(not multi reels), cut to suit the the travels made it, the circuit didn't.

Found a mini reel and started coil'n it up. ... :roll: It won't be the last...
 
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Did I mention I'm not a resi guy? :)
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Yeah, but your 10-2 MC still has a #10 ground.
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480sparky said:
So unless you've been a-pullin' wire since Kennedy was in the Oval Office, Square D quit making XO breakers, and you've been asleep like Rip Van Winkle, you should know to use #10 on a 30a circuit.
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SQ D made XO breakers clear into the 1970's.
 
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