Kitchen Counter Receptacles

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I try not to answer for people with bad non-compliant designs - but give some options I've used in the past as examples of the code education I get to do every kitchen it seems. Obviously you dont make the decision for them - but educating them a little saves a lot of time with them coming to you with bad design time after time... And you having to say NO....

Will 'Wiremold'/plugmold (Oooo, I hate that word....[cringe]) fit under the window? If you get creative you don't have to see it.... Cover it with a decorative molding on a piano hinge and set the plugmold deep back - even leave a gap at the bottom for cords to come out - like a long 'in use cover.... See attached:

There are also 'pop-up' receptacles for the purpose - but not many of them comply with the intent of the code unless hardwired at #12 IMO.

In other situations that I come across like this - I get the AHJ involved to put a feeler out to see what I can get away with - like plugmold under the face of the counter in front - not to the letter of the code as it is an exception for a different situation - but I have been allowed to do it in a number of cases.

I have also suggested floor access boxes in the past but got no takers on that one yet solely due to cost....
 
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if this is an alteration in an existing house the rehab code in NJ would apply not 210.52
 
e57 said:
I try not to answer for people with bad non-compliant designs - but give some options I've used in the past as examples of the code education I get to do every kitchen it seems. Obviously you dont make the decision for them - but educating them a little saves a lot of time with them coming to you with bad design time after time... And you having to say NO....

Will 'Wiremold'/plugmold (Oooo, I hate that word....[cringe]) fit under the window? If you get creative you don't have to see it.... Cover it with a decorative molding on a piano hinge and set the plugmold deep back - even leave a gap at the bottom for cords to come out - like a long 'in use cover.... See attached:

There are also 'pop-up' receptacles for the purpose - but not many of them comply with the intent of the code unless hardwired at #12 IMO.

In other situations that I come across like this - I get the AHJ involved to put a feeler out to see what I can get away with - like plugmold under the face of the counter in front - not to the letter of the code as it is an exception for a different situation - but I have been allowed to do it in a number of cases.

I have also suggested floor access boxes in the past but got no takers on that one yet solely due to cost....
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I like the piano hinge idea.

Originally there was supposed to be a desk in this area with a receptacle in the wall under the desk. When I got to the job yesterday, they took the desk out and put a counter in its place. I called the GC earlier and suggested that he go back to the desk. I also gave him the other options. He is going to talk it over with the HO tomorrow.

I'll keep you posted.

Frank
 
e57 said:
I try not to answer for people with bad non-compliant designs - but give some options I've used in the past as examples of the code education I get to do every kitchen it seems. Obviously you dont make the decision for them - but educating them a little saves a lot of time with them coming to you with bad design time after time... And you having to say NO....

Will 'Wiremold'/plugmold (Oooo, I hate that word....[cringe]) fit under the window? If you get creative you don't have to see it.... Cover it with a decorative molding on a piano hinge and set the plugmold deep back - even leave a gap at the bottom for cords to come out - like a long 'in use cover.... See attached:

There are also 'pop-up' receptacles for the purpose - but not many of them comply with the intent of the code unless hardwired at #12 IMO.

In other situations that I come across like this - I get the AHJ involved to put a feeler out to see what I can get away with - like plugmold under the face of the counter in front - not to the letter of the code as it is an exception for a different situation - but I have been allowed to do it in a number of cases.

I have also suggested floor access boxes in the past but got no takers on that one yet solely due to cost....
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Hey I only use this crap when I am forced to. It seems that nobody wants to look at the outlets for some reason yet they have to be there. I know some of these solutions because I generaly work for people who do not understand the word NO. They will bounce you out in a New York minute until they find someone who will do what they want. I try to provide them with a solution agreable to both of us.
 
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Use a touch latch or magnets to keep it shut. But beware - you do it in one place, all the sudden they want it everywhere....
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I can belive it once you set up something like that next thing someone willbe allover your [ beep ] on this one i ran into not excat the same idea but very simuair once next thing the GC gave me the request for it and somehow i stood firm on the order change sheet and have them signed on the statement.

i useally keep that to last resort as long i can able get meet with the NEC and State codes


Merci, Marc
 
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