Kitchen Island requirement...

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Originally posted by LawnGuyLandSparky:
If there's no overhang, I'd say yes. If there IS an overhang (many penninsulas overhang to create a breakfast "bar," though I'm sure many eat other meals there as well :) ) then I'd say no, because it's more of a built-in table or furniture.
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And I agree due to:

Exception to (5): To comply with the conditions specified in (1) or (2), receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be mounted not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop. Receptacles mounted below a countertop in accordance with this exception shall not be located where the countertop extends more than 150 mm (6 in.) beyond its support base.
 
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And I don't agree because it clearly states "in accordance with this exception" which is an exception regarding the required "countertop" outlets.
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
Would not the face of the peninsular facing the opposite side of the kitchen (red arrow) require a receptacle?
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Yes.

The peninsula receptacle is on the wrong side - if it were where the red arrow is it would satisfy both the wall space and peninsula required receptacle outlet.
 
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Originally posted by macmikeman:
And I don't agree because it clearly states "in accordance with this exception" which is an exception regarding the required "countertop" outlets.
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You may have something there my friend. This will take some thought so let me let it sink in.
 
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Originally posted by georgestolz:
Originally posted by jwelectric:
Would not the face of the peninsular facing the opposite side of the kitchen (red arrow) require a receptacle?
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Yes.

The peninsula receptacle is on the wrong side - if it were where the red arrow is it would satisfy both the wall space and peninsula required receptacle outlet.
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I agree that if the peninsular is facing the dinning room then only one receptacle located not more than 12 inches below the top of the counter could count as both due to:
210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets.
This section provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets. Receptacle outlets required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is part of a luminaire (lighting fixture) or appliance, located within cabinets or cupboards, or located more than 1.7 m (5? ft) above the floor.
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How did you get Mikes illustration on the code forum?I have some of his books and use them all the time,and I think that they are great.
I have another question on this same picture.If I knew how to get a red arrow on their I would so that you know which receptacle I am talking about.But since I don't I'll describe it.The receptacle in my question is the one to the right of the sink.If the depth of the counter is 2' is this receptacle spaced correctly?
Thanks Paul
 
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Originally posted by bassphisher: The receptacle in my question is the one to the right of the sink. If the depth of the counter is 2' is this receptacle spaced correctly?
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Since this is a conventional countertop, and not an island or peninsula, the depth of the countertop is not relevant. The difference is that the conventional countertop will have a wall space behind it. The receptacle goes on the wall, and there cannot be more than 48 inches between receptacles along the wall. On the other hand, a peninsula or island must have at least one receptacle, and quite often there is no wall space on which it may be installed.
Originally posted by bassphisher: How did you get Mikes illustration on the code forum?
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I can't describe the whole process. But it starts with having a separate Internet web site at which you can store a copy of an image. When you post your comment here, you hit the "IMAGE" button that is among other buttons at the bottom of the screen. You can only see those buttons when you are replying to a thread or starting a new thread. So just as an experiment, try to post a reply to this comment, and look for the buttons at the bottom. You can cancel the post, but I wanted you to see where the buttons are.
 
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Thanks for the info on how to get a picture in the forum I try it.
The receptacle in my question is on the other side of the room from the pinunsula.To the right of the sink in the corner.As I look at this photo you can tell that it is correct to measure around corners.So starting at the front edge of this counter top around the corner to the receptacle will be more that 2'(for this example lets assume that the counter is at least 2' deep).I'll keep trying with the photo to be a little clearer on which one I am talking about.
 
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I thought you were refering to the picture that jwelectric posted on Sept 25 of 2005 (about 10 comments up from this one). It has no sink in the corner. If you are talking about another picture, perhaps one from a MHE book or the handbook, you would have to post a copy, for us to understand your question.

You might try www.photobucket.com. It is a free site that allows you to upload your photos and images, and you can link them to this Forum. There are other sites as well, but that is the only one I know how to use.
 
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A receptacle in a "WALL SPACE" is required where you have a wall space along a counter wider than 12" but a island or peninsular only requires a receptacle if has a long dimension of 24 in. or greater and a short dimension of 12 in. or greater. Which is measured from the connecting edge.

The only addition to that image I would like to see is, in either the island or the peninsular a break in it to show how 210.52(C)(4) plays into island and peninsula's. This is a very much missed requirement, as to requiring an extra receptacle.
 
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