Kitchen Requirements

[LarryFine]

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I was focusing on the exception, and forgot to read the rule itself.

You outta join an NEC forum on the internet.

 

[resistance]

You outta join an NEC forum on the internet.

Here is my recommendation:
http://forums.mikeholt.com/

 

[stickboy1375]

Here is my recommendation:
http://forums.mikeholt.com/

Not that one, they discuss everything to death.

 

[360Youth]

They will never learn if you just give out the answers. :wink:

I will give him credit for knowing the requirement, he just wanted interpretation and that seems to be what this site is all about. :grin:

Can a dishwasher be on the same circuit as the counter top receptacles if the 2 minimum required circuits are meet?

I think your misunderstanding is reading it as at least two and not seeing it as the "two or more" that it calls for. You can install as many as needed to supply however many of the specified outlets NEC calls for, but you have to have a minimum of two.

 

[iaov]

I always put fridge on its own circuit. Usualy an MWBC with the microwave.I put the dishwasher and disposle on another MWBC. I have run a few cans or under cab lighting off the disposle circuit too , as it is a lightly loaded circuit. My goal is to never have the HO have to reset a breaker do to overload.These are custom homes and they are paying for it.

 

[steelersman]

I always put fridge on its own circuit. Usualy an MWBC with the microwave.I put the dishwasher and disposle on another MWBC. I have run a few cans or under cab lighting off the disposle circuit too , as it is a lightly loaded circuit. My goal is to never have the HO have to reset a breaker do to overload.These are custom homes and they are paying for it.

I don't usually put lights on disposall circuit since if the lights are on and they turn on the disposall then the lights dim.

 

[iaov]

Those must be some monster disposals you guys use!:grin:

 

[Sam65]

I will give him credit for knowing the requirement, he just wanted interpretation and that seems to be what this site is all about. :grin:




I think your misunderstanding is reading it as at least two and not seeing it as the "two or more" that it calls for. You can install as many as needed to supply however many of the specified outlets NEC calls for, but you have to have a minimum of two.

I understand you can have more than 2, but why would the DW not be allowed on one circuit with a couple of counter top receptacles if the DW is not hard wired would 210.52 (B) (3) not apply?

 

[480sparky]

I understand you can have more than 2, but why would the DW not be allowed on one circuit with a couple of counter top receptacles if the DW is not hard wired would 210.52 (B) (3) not apply?

Read 210.52(B)(1).

 

[Sam65]

Read 210.52(B)(1).

What about 210.52 (B)(3) does it not apply?

 

[480sparky]

What about 210.52 (B)(3) does it not apply?

210.52(B)(1)......""shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets, all countertop outlets... outlets for refigeration equipment."

Where are you plugging in the DW?

 

[Sam65]

210.52(B)(1)......""shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets, all countertop outlets... outlets for refigeration equipment."

Where are you plugging in the DW?

To a receptacle under the sink cabinet.

 

[480sparky]

To a receptacle under the sink cabinet.

Is that receptacle listed in (B)(1)?

 

[360Youth]

What about 210.52 (B)(3) does it not apply?

I think it ultimately goes back to (1) as many are saying. The SABCs shall serve wall and floor outlets. Once you put your DW receptacle in a cabinet base (presumably under the sink as I do on most of my installs), it becomes an outlet other than what is specified in 210.52(B)(1). You have a very small argument in the wording, IMO, but one that I do not see you winning outside of extreme re-model conditions.

Edit to add:

Is that receptacle listed in (B)(1)?

That is what I wanted to say, I just talk too much sometimes.:grin:

 

[Sam65]

Is that receptacle listed in (B)(1)?

It's in the kitchen and it's a wall receptacle.

 

[480sparky]

It's in the kitchen and it's a wall receptacle.

You have walls inside your cabinets?

 

[Sam65]

You have walls inside your cabinets?

I would think it would be the same as pluging in a disposal under the sink, it is still a wall under the sink.

 

[steelersman]

Those must be some monster disposals you guys use!:grin:

just a starndard rinky dink disposall will dim the lights.

 

[electricmanscott]

I would think it would be the same as pluging in a disposal under the sink, it is still a wall under the sink.

That can't be fed from the SA circuits either.

 

[480sparky]

I would think it would be the same as pluging in a disposal under the sink, it is still a wall under the sink.

So you put in receptacles in that wall according to 210.52(A)(2)? People must wonder why there's outlets in all their cabinets, then.....