Kitchen sink recepticle

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according to nec do I need a recepticle for a 42inch counter top with sink, right now there isn't one. I would of liked to have installed a larger one but due to building code, access to a window for in case of fire, prevented it.
 
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Why would the building code require an escape window in a kitchen??????

How much room is left on the sides of the sink? If any space is less than 12 inches, then no receptacle is required on that side. Measure from the edge of the sink fixture.
 
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42 - 30 divide by 2 = 6 , so no no receptacle required
 
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a.wayne3 - ?????

Don, what are the dimensions?; sink and to the sides.
If the dimensions to the sides of the sink are less than 12" you need no receptacles.
 
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OK, I read it again (and again). I get it now.
42" minus 30" for the sink equals 12" divided by 2 equals 6" on each side. :D :D :p

[ January 14, 2004, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: speedypetey ]
 
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Even if there are only (2) 6" countertops, you would still have to fulfill the minimum CODE requirement of (2) small appliance circuts, either put (1) on both sides, or put (2) on one side.
 
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Exactly what i pointed out earlier.This would be one very hard to use kitchen.Have seen some real old 1 piece sink and counter but even they had a couple feet on each side.
HMMMM what if all they had was a sink and no counter.How could they comply ?

[ January 15, 2004, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Comply with what? No counter no counter receptacles. Fridge receptacle one circuit, required wall space receptacles second circuit. Done. As for the amount of counter space (or lack of) this is typical of many old multi family houses in this area.
 
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This could change the results of that test last week ,asking how many circuits required.Nothing says we gotta have a counter.Sink could be a self standing wash tub.Then all we need is 1 SA circuit. LOL
 
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Just put a couple of receptacles in for Pete's sake and don't worry about whether or not it's required. The customer will be glad you did. :roll:
 
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Jim
210.52(B)(1) does not require any countertop space for the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits. If you have the countertop space that fits the requirements of 210.52(C), then you would use the SMA branch circuits for those receptacles.

Unusual as it may be, if the sink has only 6 inches of countertop space on each side of it then it will not require countertop receptacles.

Maybe that firehouse has the same situation :D

Pierre
 
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Pierre i know im reading this wrong somehow but 210.52 b 1 sends me to 210.11 c 1 seems to run me in a circle.I can't seem to find any words saying i must have counter top receptacles or 2 SA,just what to do if i have them.I will try this again in the morning,im sure they intended it but seeking a SHALL HAVE.

[ January 15, 2004, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Read through 210. 52 (C). It tells you what you "Shall " have for counter receptacles.
 
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Ok im fine with 210.52c if i had a counter top.
Now if there is no counter top at all,then 210.52c does not apply.Right ?
What im looking for is something to say that i need more than 1 SA circuit to cover the walls.
What it says is the 2 or more SA circuits required by 210.11 c 1 shall serve the receptacles covered by 210.52a and c
Going to 210.11 c 1 to see what it REQUIRED
It sends me back to 210.52 b to see what is SPECIFIED
We are now in a circle.Nothing has said so far that i need 2 SA circuits unless i have a counter top.
210.52 b 3 says the receptacles installed in a kitchen to serve COUNTERTOP SURFACES( we have none )shall be supplied by not fewer than two SA branch circuits,EITHER or BOTH of which shall also be PERMITTED to supply receptacles in the same kitchen and in other rooms specified in 210.52 b 1
Im reading this to say i can cover my kitchen walls with ONE SA circuit.It said i was permitted to use the 2 SA circuits serving counters, not that i had to use them.So since they were not required because there is no countertop to be served ,i am then allowed to run 1 SA circuit to take care off the walls.
Im sure this is not what they had in mind, and they never gave any thought to there being no countertop.
Follow this letter by letter and you will maybe understand.By no means am i saying i would do this,but then when is the last time you seen a counter less kitchen?
Can't put receptacles in to serve a counter less kitchen.
The article was just badly writen.
 
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Ok Jim to comply you would still need 2 circuits.So break the wall receptacles in 2 and there you comply...So the floor is a big counter top,but if there isn`t 12 inches of counter then it isn`t required....I don`t know about other places right now but our inspectors want a receptacle on all walls over 24 in. anywhere in a kitchen that doesn`t have cabinets installed in these areas like a breakfast nook.... But i think it as stupid to put a receptacle on a wall that is 25 ins. that is right next to a receptacle on a counter that is within 2 ft. of the edge of the wall.The inspectors say that thet are 2 entire differnt scenarios....Any thoughts :roll:
 
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