Ky Jman Test Question

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IF A JOURNEYMAN FINDS A SE CABLE SERVING A SUDPANEL IN A DWELLING. THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN SHOULD A)ADD PVC FOR PROTECTION B)ADD METAL CONDUIT FOR PROTECTION C)REMOVE THE SE CABLE UNLESS IT HAS AT LEAST 5 CONDUCTORS D)ASSURE ALL GROUNDED AND UNGROUNDED CONDUCTORS ARE INSULATED.:smile:
 
TDCHUNT said:
IF A JOURNEYMAN FINDS A SE CABLE SERVING A SUDPANEL IN A DWELLING. THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN SHOULD A)ADD PVC FOR PROTECTION B)ADD METAL CONDUIT FOR PROTECTION C)REMOVE THE SE CABLE UNLESS IT HAS AT LEAST 5 CONDUCTORS D)ASSURE ALL GROUNDED AND UNGROUNDED CONDUCTORS ARE INSULATED.:smile:
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Please don't use all CAPS, it hurts my eyes.:grin:

Seperate your answers for ease of reading them:

A)
B)
C)
D)

Anyway: I'll go with

A) Add PVC for protection.

I think the question is rather vague. Too many variables.
 
I would go with D.

The question states it is a subpanel, which would require 3 wire and a ground, therfore the grounded and ungrounded condutors would be insulated with an un insulated ground wire.

just a guess;)
 
Smart $ said:
I assume that would still leave the "subpanel" with no EGC.
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That would be one of the variables I mentioned.

That would vary on if 338.10(B)(1) or (2) is used. And also exception.

I chose answer (A) simply because it was the closest answer of those answers given. The question doesn't give how far the subpanel is away from the main panel, how many conductors are in the SE cable, etc. Subpanel would require 3 conductors and a ground.

Didn't go with (B), that would require bonding.

Didn't go with (C), don't see a need for 5 wire SE cable, nor have I seen 5 wire SE cable available.

I didn't go with (D) because all conductors don't have to be insulated. (correct me with code reference if I'm wrong)
We have used a bare ground for years.
 
TDCHUNT said:
Test is on 2005 code book. I am getting a lot of different anwsers. I can not find it in the book.
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The best option is B but that is only if you assume they mean put the SE in the added conduit, whereby the conduit becomes the EGC... but that's a big assumption :grin:
 
BackInTheHabit said:
I didn't go with (D) because all conductors don't have to be insulated. (correct me with code reference if I'm wrong)
We have used a bare ground for years.
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ground can be bare, grounded (neutral) has to be insulated for subpanel. Hence (D) all grounded and ungrounded conductors, not ground, would have to be insulated.
 
EBFD6 said:
ground can be bare, grounded (neutral) has to be insulated for subpanel. Hence (D) all grounded and ungrounded conductors, not ground, would have to be insulated.
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You are correct sir. :cool:

Misread OP. Too many CAPS. See post #2.

Time to hang up keyboard and get something to eat.
 
I've had this question on several tests through the years. I always answered "D". The use of the se cable is ok as long as the "grounded and ungrounded" conductors are insulated. Note the language they use to ask the question. They don't mention the grounding conductor (which could be bare) in the question . The question specifically asks about the "grounded and ungrounded conductors".
IMO the other answers don't relate to the question because any of those things could be done if the need was there. For a sub panel, the conductors they are referencing must be insulated.
 
KevinVost said:
I've had this question on several tests through the years. I always answered "D". The use of the se cable is ok as long as the "grounded and ungrounded" conductors are insulated. Note the language they use to ask the question. They don't mention the grounding conductor (which could be bare) in the question . The question specifically asks about the "grounded and ungrounded conductors".
IMO the other answers don't relate to the question because any of those things could be done if the need was there. For a sub panel, the conductors they are referencing must be insulated.
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It's that kind of reasoning that questions such as these actually end up on a test. The "question" does not ask anything. It is not even a question. It is a two-part statement with multiple choice options to make it supposedly correct. For example, remove choice D from the the options and you are still left with possible correct answers, with assumptions. Yet the one you guys are saying is the "most correct" choice also assumes there is a grounding conductor. So how is D any more correct than the others?

On top of that, note the two-part statement opens with "If a journeyman finds..." This is on a journeyman test. Isn't the journeyman supposed to know ccc conductors are to be insulated for a subpanel? If the master electrician is to even get involved, we should deduce the journeyman KNOWS there is something WRONG with the installation, making D perhaps the most wrong choice!!!
 
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