Labor- 3/4" EMT

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mstrlucky74

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Really need some feedback. ¾” in EMT with compressionfittings(no wire) run with just KX clips attached to pencil rod( we are allowedto do that). Ceiling/space is wide open, ceilings aren’t up yet so pretty easyinstall. 8’ ceilings and pretty straight runs.

I think .08 or 8 hours per hundred is attainable for mostguys. I was told average is about 11 hours per hundred which seems high to me.Any input would be helpful. Thanks.
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Really need some feedback. ¾” in EMT with compressionfittings(no wire) run with just KX clips attached to pencil rod( we are allowedto do that). Ceiling/space is wide open, ceilings aren’t up yet so pretty easyinstall. 8’ ceilings and pretty straight runs.

I think .08 or 8 hours per hundred is attainable for mostguys. I was told average is about 11 hours per hundred which seems high to me.Any input would be helpful. Thanks.
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This is a loaded question. Who told you 11? Why do you, who I can tell from history of questions, have not been in the field for any length of time, think 8 is attainable?
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Really need some feedback. ¾” in EMT with compressionfittings(no wire) run with just KX clips attached to pencil rod( we are allowedto do that). Ceiling/space is wide open, ceilings aren’t up yet so pretty easyinstall. 8’ ceilings and pretty straight runs.

I think .08 or 8 hours per hundred is attainable for mostguys. I was told average is about 11 hours per hundred which seems high to me.Any input would be helpful. Thanks.
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Every time I see an estimate I wonder if the creator takes into account that people have to take a piss every once in a while. Depending on the work site, that may not be a trivial interruption in the work flow. Likewise, you have set up at the beginning of the day and cleanup at the end. Oh, and don't forget the 5 minute safety talk (mandatory, every day) and the trade meeting to find out who's doing what to whom. There's a hundred and one time vampires out there that few seem to notice, until you see the four-day job is running into the following week. Then people pay attention, but it's too late. The super or foreman tells you just "work harder" or "work faster" or "get it done". Great solution. Really helpful.
 
I thought you used software. What does it tell you per 100' ?

You just gave us the same scenario that your software asks.

Have you adjusted your units based on past job performance?

You spent a lot of money for that software and units, but don't seem to trust it.

Why do you ask these questions when the answer is right under your nose?

btw...I came up with just over 10hr/c
 
gadfly56 said:
Every time I see an estimate I wonder if the creator takes into account that people have to take a piss every once in a while. Depending on the work site, that may not be a trivial interruption in the work flow. Likewise, you have set up at the beginning of the day and cleanup at the end. Oh, and don't forget the 5 minute safety talk (mandatory, every day) and the trade meeting to find out who's doing what to whom. There's a hundred and one time vampires out there that few seem to notice, until you see the four-day job is running into the following week. Then people pay attention, but it's too late. The super or foreman tells you just "work harder" or "work faster" or "get it done". Great solution. Really helpful.
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Labor units account for breaks and cleanup
 
Strathead said:
This is a loaded question. Who told you 11? Why do you, who I can tell from history of questions, have not been in the field for any length of time, think 8 is attainable?
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Because based on other feedback over the years....I've been told that 8 is good. many can even beat that. Standard install and jobsite conditions etc.
 
gadfly56 said:
Every time I see an estimate I wonder if the creator takes into account that people have to take a piss every once in a while. Depending on the work site, that may not be a trivial interruption in the work flow. Likewise, you have set up at the beginning of the day and cleanup at the end. Oh, and don't forget the 5 minute safety talk (mandatory, every day) and the trade meeting to find out who's doing what to whom. There's a hundred and one time vampires out there that few seem to notice, until you see the four-day job is running into the following week. Then people pay attention, but it's too late. The super or foreman tells you just "work harder" or "work faster" or "get it done". Great solution. Really helpful.
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My labor units include for drawing survey layout, NPL and installation...just like NECA units. About 50-60% unit is install only.
 
cdslotz said:
I thought you used software. What does it tell you per 100' ?

You just gave us the same scenario that your software asks.

Have you adjusted your units based on past job performance?

You spent a lot of money for that software and units, but don't seem to trust it.

Why do you ask these questions when the answer is right under your nose?

btw...I came up with just over 10hr/c
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Software gives different labor columns. My initial post is the labor units we most commonly use.

I ask to get feedback from others to try and get a larger sampling.

10/c seems a little high for competitive bidding....change orders maybe.
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Software gives different labor columns. My initial post is the labor units we most commonly use.

I ask to get feedback from others to try and get a larger sampling.

10/c seems a little high for competitive bidding....change orders maybe.
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You have yet to tell us what your software gave you based on the scenario you described
 
mstrlucky74 said:
Really need some feedback. ¾” in EMT with compressionfittings(no wire) run with just KX clips attached to pencil rod( we are allowedto do that). Ceiling/space is wide open, ceilings aren’t up yet so pretty easyinstall. 8’ ceilings and pretty straight runs.

I think .08 or 8 hours per hundred is attainable for mostguys. I was told average is about 11 hours per hundred which seems high to me.Any input would be helpful. Thanks.
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EBM has 3/4" EMT W/ Comp. Couplings at 4.5/C. My field experience dictates more like 4.0/C in walls, 3.8/C for Home runs in ceiling space with little bends.:thumbsup:
 
Unbridled said:
EBM has 3/4" EMT W/ Comp. Couplings at 4.5/C. My field experience dictates more like 4.0/C in walls, 3.8/C for Home runs in ceiling space with little bends.:thumbsup:
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That's not just the conduit? Is that what supports and fittings. I doubt it. I think that's just the stick of conduit
 
cdslotz said:
Tell us what you came up with....100' 3/4" EMT/WT Couplings/Klips/Rod
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6.75 hours, this is with five counts( Accubid considers a count a box/enclosure etc....this drives your connectors). So with a count of five it will give 10 connectors. So obviously if you have 100' run of EMT as a homerun and you will have a lot less connectors than 100' EMT for lighting branch where your hitting bunch of 4" boxes and need all these connectors.
 
mstrlucky74 said:
None needed here in NYC. Caddy KX clip right to pencil rod(installed by others)
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How does NTC square that rule with this:

From the 2011 NEC
"300.11 Securing and Supporting.
(A) Secured in Place. Raceways, cable assemblies, boxes,
cabinets, and fittings shall be securely fastened in place.
Support wires that do not provide secure support shall not
be permitted as the sole support. Support wires and associated fittings that provide secure support and that are installed in addition to the ceiling grid support wires shall be permitted as the sole support. Where independent support wires are used, they shall be secured at both ends. Cables and raceways shall not be supported by ceiling grids.
 
cdslotz said:
How does NTC square that rule with this:

From the 2011 NEC
"300.11 Securing and Supporting.
(A) Secured in Place. Raceways, cable assemblies, boxes,
cabinets, and fittings shall be securely fastened in place.
Support wires that do not provide secure support shall not
be permitted as the sole support. Support wires and associated fittings that provide secure support and that are installed in addition to the ceiling grid support wires shall be permitted as the sole support. Where independent support wires are used, they shall be secured at both ends. Cables and raceways shall not be supported by ceiling grids.
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"pencil rod" as he calls it complies with this section in my opinion. If it doesn't then threaded rod would also be excluded. I have always wondered how J hooks are allowed to support conduit with this code, though.
 
cdslotz said:
Tell us what you came up with....100' 3/4" EMT/WT Couplings/Klips/Rod
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This labor unit is just for conduit installation with a coupling and support every 8-10 FT. Generally speaking, only 50-60% of that is actual installation, the remaining percentage is for lay-out, material procurement, etc. No Boxes, hangers or trapezes. I typically, include a connector(s) in the device / box assembly.:thumbsup:
 
Unbridled said:
This labor unit is just for conduit installation with a coupling and support every 8-10 FT. Generally speaking, only 50-60% of that is actual installation, the remaining percentage is for lay-out, material procurement, etc. No Boxes, hangers or trapezes. I typically, include a connector(s) in the device / box assembly.:thumbsup:
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That's not what the OP asked us to labor
 
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