large hadron collider came online today

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chris500 said:
As far as being a waste of time, almost everything we have today that separates us from cavemen is attributable to physics. What the LHC is designed to do is go deeper and help form a deeper understanding of the particles that form everything. By figuring this stuff out new ideas form, new products form, etc. At least that's the idea.

No doubt it is a huge amount of money, but could you put a monetary figure on something like the fundamental ideas behind electricity and magnetism, or something equally important?
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I think that's it in a nutshell.
CERN has a track record of it's members, employees, contractors etc. coming up with new and useful ideas. Tim Berners-Lee is notable among them.
 
augie47 said:
Not bring that good at "cypherin' ", in very round figures, how does that compare to say the power requirements of a City of say 100,000 residents.
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In round figures, it is probably about comparable if you take into account the total of domestic, commercial, and industrial consumption.
 
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augie47 said:
Not bring that good at "cypherin' ", in very round figures, how does that compare to say the power requirements of a City of say 100,000 residents.
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Augie,

The City of Dover, DE Electric Deparmtent serves about 50,000 residents, and has a peak demand on the order of 175 MW. So in rough figures, I'd say that a consumption of 125 MW is about the demand of a population of ~35,000 people.

My City data is old and may be off by 20 or 30%, but it gives some idea of a reference.

John M
 
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drbond24 said:
Give it a chance. He hasn't even responded yet. :D
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nothing to argue about. It can't be proven that the universe was created by god or by intelligent design. I just was saying that to me it seems that alot of the people that tend to be against science and progress and things of this nature such as NASA for example tend to be "religious" and maybe it's because they fear what could be discovered for fear of turning their "world" and everything they were raised to beleive upside down. That's all.
 
steelersman said:
It can't be proven that the universe was created by god or by intelligent design.
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Sure it can! All you have to do is die*. If you see nothing, you've either reached nirvana, there is no afterlife, or it's your version of hell. If you're talking to God, you've reached heaven, and you can ask if He created it. :smile:

steelersman said:
I just was saying that to me it seems that alot of the people that tend to be against science and progress and things of this nature such as NASA for example tend to be "religious" and maybe it's because they fear what could be discovered for fear of turning their "world" and everything they were raised to beleive upside down. That's all.
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I've noticed that as well, but it tends to be fundamentalists that have this problem. I have a couple of friends who are very religious, and fairly open minded as well. It's led to some interesting discussions, because they don't dismiss much without trying to understand it first.

I wonder if there's some way to create a new energy source from this.

*That is not a personal attack on anybody!
 
mayanees said:
Augie,

The City of Dover, DE Electric Deparmtent serves about 50,000 residents, and has a peak demand on the order of 175 MW. So in rough figures, I'd say that a consumption of 125 MW is about the demand of a population of ~35,000 people.
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That's peak demand, of course.
No disagreement with that.
My point related to average demand per household.
 
Well, the conversation has in fact drifted from the OP's question and since posts 15, 16, 23, and 24 somewhat addressed the answer to the question, we will let this thread go to bed.

Roger
 
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