Laundry and outdoor outlets

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In a laundry room we ran a 20 amp dedicated circuit for the washer. This is the requirement for 210.11(C)(2)
We ran another 20 amp circuit that started above the counter in the laundry room and installed a GFI outlet, the laundry sink is within the same same counter. We came off of this GFI to pick up some of the exterior outlets. The AHJ said we can not do this the laundry GFI can have no other outlets. In my opinion the waher outlet is the required 20 amp and the GFI by the sink is not even required so I believe we should be able to do as we have done. Opinions please.
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Mike
 
I agree with you. IMO, you've run at least one circuit (210.11) for at least one receptacle outlet for the laundry (210.52(F)), so anything above that is above code and a design issue.

Edit to add: Notice how 210.11(C)(2) states "This circuit shall have no other outlets." They seem to acknowledge that the code minimum may be exceeded. :)
 
Ditto what George said. Once you've met the requirement you can have other circuits present in the laundry room.
 
I don't have my book with me, but I believe the additional receptacles in the laundry are ok, but outdoor receptacles are not.
 
Consider at the following words in 210.11(C)(2):
. . . to supply the laundry receptacle outlets(s). . . .
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A circuit that does that job is a circuit that can have no other outlets. A circuit that does a different job (like general purpose receptacles or outdoor receptacles) does not have a similar constraint. Your installation is in compliance.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
I agree, as long as you also have a 30a 220v dryer receptacle, or a gas line. If not I'd violate this too.
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Would the 120V receptacle that a gas dryer would require have to be a dedicated circuit due to the fact it is used to power a motor?
 
The fact that both part (1) & (2) of the same section refer you to the respective part in Section 210.52 whereas part (3) does not have this qualifier is an indicator that your installation is compliant. This is the reason part (3) of the section has an exception.

It appears that you can add additional general purpose receptacle outlets in both a kitchen and laundry area but would not be able to add additional general purpose receptacles in a bathroom.
 
I agree with what others have said. The installation described in the opening post is compliant.

LawnGuyLandSparky said:
I agree, as long as you also have a 30a 220v dryer receptacle, or a gas line. If not I'd violate this too.
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What code section would you cite?
 
In regard to my earlier post, I misread OP and thought you were installing GFI and outdoor receptacles on laundry circuit.
 
The opening post is not correct and the Inspector is. You can not come of the GFI at the laundry sink and feed ANY outlets outside of the laundry room. Read "no other outlets". Put only one circuit, or put 6 circuits, but do not feed outside the room. The NEC does not require a dryer circuit or a gas line. A room with only a washer is a laundry room and requires a laundry circuit.
 
Cavie said:
The opening post is not correct and the Inspector is. You can not come of the GFI at the laundry sink and feed ANY outlets outside of the laundry room. Read "no other outlets". Put only one circuit, or put 6 circuits, but do not feed outside the room. The NEC does not require a dryer circuit or a gas line. A room with only a washer is a laundry room and requires a laundry circuit.
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The OP says that he ran a dedicated laundry circuit for the washer.
This satisfies the requirement for a laundry outlet. After that he is free to run as many other circuits that he wants. I disagree with the assumption that no other circuits can leave the laundry area.
 
Put only one circuit, or put 6 circuits, but do not feed outside the room.
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This got me thinking. If the lighting in the room, as we know, can't be on with the laundry circuit and if the circuits can not leave the room we would need a separate circuit just for the light. This is not an NEC requirement.
 
210.52 (F) says you WILL have at least one receptical OUTLET for the laundry. It does not say circuit, it says outlet. I don't know why, I didn't wright it. 210.11 (C) (2) says You will provide A branch CIRCUIT for the laundry to supply the oulet or outlets.
210.11 says supply a CIRCUIT for the OUTLET or OUTLETS required in 210.52 but this circuit shall have no OTHER outlets. Meaning not outlets outside the laundry.
 
210.11(C)(2) says that the required 20 amp branch circuit shall have no other outlets. It doesn't say that any additional circuits can not leave the room. Does this mean that you would require a separate circuit just for the laundry room light?


210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.
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210.52(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry.
 
This one is pretty easy. The inspector is mistaken. As long as the required outlet and circuit are present, who cares what the other outlets are doing or feeding.
A typical(?) utility room with a washer and dryer has a 20Amp laundry circuit including receptacle. Additionally, in the room, are general purpose wall duplex receptacles. There is also a lighting circuit which is probably connected with some other loads in the dwelling unit.
 
210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.

While i have thought it ok for many years to do what the OP stated i now am re reading 210.11
Does it not say atleast 1 circuit ? So if i have 2 or 3 circuits then they are for the laundry.What does it tell us they are for ? Laundry receptacles and nothing else,not even lights in laundry.Like it or not NEC says violation.
 
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