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Thanks for the input. I really new the answer but I was hopping for an obscure loophole.
Common sense would say no problem but the code says otherwise. These rental units are under the control of resort maintenance so no other machine would be put in but it is conceivable that you could put a stackable unit in. BTW the light is a 13 watt T-5. There are 600 units to do
so I would think the owner of the resort would want to push this issue. 1 hour to do it this way and 3hrs to run a circ. from another location.

[ December 16, 2005, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: shelco ]
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Bob stop! You are going to turn this into a light plugged into a small appliance circuit type thread. :D
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I hope you have straightened out you grandmother for abusing her small appliance circuits with light fixtures. :D
 
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Shelco, in 1986, I wired a 300 unit complex. I pulled a dryer & washer circuit to the closet like you are describing. Today there are 300 125 volt 20 amp outlets not being used.
 
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The requirement that states that at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry (sub section F), is under section
210.52
Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets
This section provides requirements for 125-volt , 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets.

I would not count the 220v receptacle.

However, if the units are rentals of multifamily, you could provide one coin-op washer/dryer somewheres on the premises to omit all the other laundry receptacles in the units.

Just out of curiosity, if you have a small closet, big enough for a washer/dryer combo only, & you install the required 22ov outlet for the unit plus the 110v outlet, just what are you going to use the 110v recep for?
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Ironing my IAEI shirts?

Jim
 
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I can?t stand it any longer.

Not only will this 20 amp circuit and receptacle be installed but if a stackable unit is installed instead of the laundry tub the service calculation will require not only 1500 VA for the tub but 5000VA for the dryer no matter the appliance load. See 220.54.

This will equate to a total of 6500VA added to the service calculation for this stacked unit.

I have quit the small appliance police department and went on to bigger and better things so you can now plug a under cabinet light in the small appliance circuit with out fear of reprisal from me.

For my new title send me a PM and I will send you a link to my new position.

Does anyone forsee a 750 psot thread yet?
:)
 
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Originally posted by jwelectric:
This will equate to a total of 6500VA added to the service calculation for this stacked unit.
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Now do you feel it is needed or just ridiculously required? :p
 
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Originally posted by iwire: So if I had a single family dwelling that the owner was not installing laundry facilities I would have to install a laundry outlet?
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If you had a single family dwelling then it would not be an "other than one-family dwelling." So you can't use that exception.

You have to find something with more potential for controversy, to get this one up to 750 posts. ;)
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
You have to have the receptacle if you have the laundry. Does not mean you have to use it.
You must have two sa circuits in the kitchen. Does not mean you have to use them.

You can not legally feed the light from this circuit.
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I agree with Scott. No other outlets means no other outlets. Useless or not, you have to put in the laundry circuit and if need be, let it do nothing.
 
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Originally posted by volt101: The requirement that states that at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry . . . provides requirements for 125-volt , 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets.
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That's a very good point, and hard to argue against. I would still want to allow it, but it may take a request for a variance from the AHJ to let it happen.
Originally posted by volt101:However, if the units are rentals of multifamily, you could provide one coin-op washer/dryer somewheres on the premises to omit all the other laundry receptacles in the units.
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The problem here is that if you wish to install individual laundry machines, as the original question describes, it becomes hard to say that the owner is prohibiting individual laundry machines. I know that the concept of "prohibiting" is not part of Exception 1, but you are sure to get the AHJ confused if you try that way out.
 
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these rental unit are exsiting. We are retrofiting the light fixtures. Originally they were two seperate stackable units. all have been replaced with combo units. I am trying to get to use the remaining 20 amp outlet no longer used for the washer, for the light. As I say it creates 1200 extra man hours to run a new circuit vs using the existing, removing the recpt and blanking it off. I get paid either way, just looking out for the owner. I may just present the case to the AHJ to see how it floats.
 
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You can put as many laundry receptacle outlets on the laundry circuit as you want.

Now if you wanted to 'swag' feed a light fixture from one of them I can not imagine that would be wrong.
 
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charlie,
You are right, it would be hard to say that, but I was using exception #1 not #2. It doesn't say that we have to meet both does it?

Jim
 
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Charlie,


As the above was typed before reading all of your post, sorry I got interupted with a phone call, but I see it all now. You are right, wouldn't want to confuse the ahj if I was asking for a waiver neither.

Jim
 
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Originally posted by shelco:
these rental unit are exsiting. We are retrofiting the light fixtures. Originally they were two seperate stackable units. all have been replaced with combo units. I am trying to get to use the remaining 20 amp outlet no longer used for the washer, for the light. As I say it creates 1200 extra man hours to run a new circuit vs using the existing, removing the recpt and blanking it off. I get paid either way, just looking out for the owner. I may just present the case to the AHJ to see how it floats.
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So you get to bill an addtional 1200 man hours or violate the code and put your arse on the line. Tough choice. :)
Why do you want to remove the receptacle and blank it up. This again creates a violation.

Just beacuse the AHJ says go ahead and do it does not mean it's legal. (Guilty as charged on occassion)
Do it right. find the closest other receptacle or light and grab a feed from there.

[ December 16, 2005, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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That was good ron. It seems stupid, i agree to enforce something when you have a 30 amp circuit supplying the combo unit and like you said, all that power.You're using up a big 1/2 amp on a 20 amp circuit
 
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