lAUNDRY RECEPTACLE

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Dave,

Thanks for the reply. Here in NJ the inspectors fall under the auspices of the DCA and I think they should have the final say when it comes to issues like this one. Instead they take a back seat by stating that their interpretations are opinions only and not binding on any party. Unless you want to file a complaint regarding the inspector they will not intervene in your issue. As I've previously said, I don't care how this issue is interpreted, one way or another. Just make it the same for the whole state.

210.11(C)(2),(3) and Exception seem clear to me.

210.53(F) states "at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry." It doesn't say only one and it doesn't say washer and dryer.
 
Laundry circuit.

Laundry circuit.

The 2005 NEC states;
At least one receptacle is required within 6' of the intended location of the washer in a laundry area.

Any receptical within 6' of a laundry, utility, or wet bar sink must be GFCI protected.
Exempt from this rule are recptacles that serve appliances that are not easily moved, and that are located in dedicated spaces, such as those for a washer and gas dryer, which are plugged into a duplex receptacle.

This receptacle(s)must be supplied by a seperate 20 ampere branch circuit. (like another appliance branch circuit)

This branch circuit shall not supply any other outlets outside the laundry area.

This branch circuit and receptacle(s) are in addition to other required receptacles and branch circuits.

What is NOT understood? :D
 
Depending upon your orientation toward the sun, your religious preference and whether you chew double mint gum or not, if you are a certain inspector you may interpret the words shall not supply any other outlets to mean no other receptacles.

What is NOT understood?
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Why the NJ DCA allows this inspector to continue to enforce his interpretation of this section of the code.

And, by the way, this is not the only section of the NEC that he interprets for his own benefit !!!
 
Re: Laundry circuit.

Re: Laundry circuit.

electric_instructor said:
The 2005 NEC states;
At least one receptacle is required within 6' of the intended location of the washer in a laundry area.

Any receptical within 6' of a laundry, utility, or wet bar sink must be GFCI protected.
Exempt from this rule are recptacles that serve appliances that are not easily moved, and that are located in dedicated spaces, such as those for a washer and gas dryer, which are plugged into a duplex receptacle.
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That's not true. There are no exceptions to the GFCI sink rule [210.8(A)(7)]. The exception your thinking about probably is for garage and basement [210.8(A)(2)&(5)]
electric_instructor said:
This receptacle(s)must be supplied by a seperate 20 ampere branch circuit. (like another appliance branch circuit)

This branch circuit shall not supply any other outlets outside the laundry area.

This branch circuit and receptacle(s) are in addition to other required receptacles and branch circuits.

What is NOT understood? :D
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What's not understood:

1) 210.11(C)(2) & 210.52(F) Does the word "laundry" mean just the washer/dryer plug or any plug in the laundry room used for laundry equipment, such as an iron ? Different inspectors have enforced it either way.

2) If there are two recept circuits present in the laundry room/area, one for the washer/dryer, one for general purpose recepts. Can the one branch circuit brought into the laundry for general purpose recepts leave the laundry room/area and include recepts in other rooms or even hardwired lighting outlets. Different inspectors have enforced it either way.

There's probably other issues being disputed that don't come to mind right now.

One solution would be for the NEC panel to drop the ambiguous words "laundry area" and say "washer/dryer recept" or "all receptacles in the laundry area" or explain what is required like the explanation for bathrooms in 210.11(C)(3)

David
 
goldstar said:
Depending upon your orientation toward the sun, your religious preference and whether you chew double mint gum or not, if you are a certain inspector you may interpret the words shall not supply any other outlets to mean no other receptacles.
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The problem with the term other outlets is they don't clearly say other than what.

Other than the washer/dryer outlet ?
Other than any laundry area recept designated as laundry equipment ?
Other than any recept in the laundry room/area ?

Other than what ?

You have to define what outlet(s) your talking about before you can say not to add other outlets.

Maybe they think they've been clear but inspectors are not interpreting the same way. Maybe the code committee has members that have different orientation toward the sun or religious preference.

David
 
Dave,

The problem we're having here in NJ is that The Dept of Consumer Affairs (DCA) governs what the inspectors are supposed to enforce for the entire state. If there is a section of the NEC that is in question they will make an interpretation in writing and even call the inspector if necessary. Getting them out to the job to see for themselves is another story. However, there are some inspectors that make up their own rules based on what they believe is correct. I could fight most of the violations some inspectors cite but the builders are looking to sell the houses ASAP and don't want to be bothered with the hassle. So, I end up making the corrections and getting paid for them. But, that doesn't make it right.

The whole point to this thread is that whatever is correct - make it correct for the whole state. Don't leave it up to the local AHJ. If the State wants to interpret this section of the NEC as only allowing one receptacle for the laundry, then make it that way for the entire state. It gets kind of tough when you have to remember, from town to town, what each inspector will require.
 
The term "outlet" has a very specific NEC definition -- the point of utilization thingie.

IMO, in this case it would seem to exclude virtually every useful and/or worthless electrical device that might be wired up outside a laundry area.

GPR's aren't "required" in the laundry so they're just an non-mandated bonus that could serve something else outside the laundry
 
:D Aw gee guys & gals; I don't even know what a laundry area is. Is the 3' x 5' area taken up by washer and dryer and the wall space behind them or is it the entire room they are located in. If they are located in closet; is the entire closet laundry area?

On the same note: A vanity in a single family residence located in a bedroom. Is this considered to be part of the bathroom?

And besides if we get everything nice and clear in the NEC, everybody will be able to understand it (even me) and then where will all of you be? :p
 
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