Learning a lot about generators, but there's one thing that's a thorn in my side.

[Eddie702]

Take a little trip down to Hull, MA. He's been inspecting and also one of the largest contractors in town for 30 years. He can't inspect his own work, obviously. And if he bids a job and doesn't get it, he can't inspect the job. The neighboring Hingham inspector does.

And that is technically legal

 

[mikeames]

I just took the online Generac generator class for installation. It was conveyed to us that we as the installers are responsible for generator placement. We also have the responsibility to inform our pipefitter gas man of the requirements for a pipe sizing. There’s been cases were even the meter gas meter is
250 K BTU .Which is an undersized gas meter. This case we would have to inform the pipefitter and gas utility to upgrade the gas meter to 420k BTU.
There’s a lot of responsibility when it comes to generator installation and ultimately it falls on the electrical contractor.If the homeowner or GC has a preference that conflicts with the requirements then we inform them of what the requirements are. That statement may not apply to every situation but it sure applies to a lot of them


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How does a master electrician tell a master gas fitter what size the meter and line should be? I cant agree with that. What if the gass fitter did the install and then told the electrician what size conductors to use? It wasn't too long ago when GENERAC had errors in their install manuals and Mike repeatedly brought it to their attention.

 

[Peter Furrow]

How does a master electrician tell a master gas fitter what size the meter and line should be? I cant agree with that. What if the gass fitter did the install and then told the electrician what size conductors to use? It wasn't too long ago when GENERAC had errors in their install manuals and Mike repeatedly brought it to their attention.

I understand what you’re saying but every situation is different. Some electrical contractors provide a turnkey installation for a generator installment. That means they have provided a quote that includes the gas and electrical installation.
Generac has a standard for Gas pipe sizing. There is a formula that has to be followed when installing the gas line. If those lines are not sized according to their spec then The generator will be unstable and run poorly. Try collecting payment from the homeowner in that situation.
All I’m saying is that when you do an installation you have be conscious of the other trade . A poor installation by A pipefitter may result in you not getting paid or have to deal with a call back that would’ve been unnecessary.
Electricians always have to babysit other trades like Drywaller’s and plumbers and AC techs.

Also, when Mike Holt was making reference to Generac and their manual he was referring to the ground rod . Mike Holt has revolutionized bonding and grounding and has given Electrician’s new perspective on ground rods and where they should be placed and where they shouldn’t be placed. Having one at the generator is it absurd. And he corrected Generac on that.
And I’m in no way defending Generac because their training course was a fiasco. It wasn’t the greatest experience in their training coordinators are unorganized.


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[mikeames]

Yea I get what your saying. I am not being critical of you, but more Generac. I understand the issues they had about grounding and bonding. That was my point. They are not experts and have proven it. It took experts to repeatably point out the errors. I get it. We are bound to the process as much as we are reality.

 

[brantmacga]

Yea I get what your saying. I am not being critical of you, but more Generac. I understand the issues they had about grounding and bonding. That was my point. They are not experts and have proven it. It took experts to repeatably point out the errors. I get it. We are bound to the process as much as we are reality.

I remember that time their trickle chargers were blowing up batteries and they insisted we were installing batteries wrong, even after issuing a charger recall.


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[hillbilly1]

I remember that time their trickle chargers were blowing up batteries and they insisted we were installing batteries wrong, even after issuing a charger recall.


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Had two of them do that, one of them at one of my boss's house. Finally told the customers to just replace the battery no more than two years apart.

 

[hillbilly1]

Also, when Mike Holt was making reference to Generac and their manual he was referring to the ground rod . Mike Holt has revolutionized bonding and grounding and has given Electrician’s new perspective on ground rods and where they should be placed and where they shouldn’t be placed. Having one at the generator is it absurd. And he corrected Generac on that.
And I’m in no way defending Generac because their training course was a fiasco. It wasn’t the greatest experience in their training coordinators are unorganized.


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North Carolina considers them structures and require you to drive ground rod, not saying its right, but thats what they do.

 

[brantmacga]

Had two of them do that, one of them at one of my boss's house. Finally told the customers to just replace the battery no more than two years apart.

It’s been so long now, at least 10 years, I can’t remember if they sent the part or we just bought them, but we had to go back to several generators and install a new charger inside the generator battery compartment. Generac said we must have been installing the batteries in such a way it allowed the terminals to contact the metallic shell, which was absolutely impossible. They really tried to say we all of a sudden started putting batteries in sideways. And here I am 10 years later still selling them.


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