jimwalker
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Nothing stops some people.
Nothing stops some people.
Lets have some fun.
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Re: Lets have some fun.
If you insist on calling it a receptacle than you can not even install it.
In the end I agree with Roger.
[ January 28, 2006, 06:17 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
Jim you have to stop calling this device a 'receptacle' it is not a receptacle to the NEC any more than a 'trash receptacle' is a receptacle to the NEC.
If you insist on calling it a receptacle than you can not even install it.
Then of course there is this.
If the fan was above a shower and that fan disconnecting means was a receptacle there is this problem
So if you insist this fan outlet is a receptacle you have many violations not just 210.8.
In the end I agree with Roger.
Originally posted by roger:
Jim, if you are that determined to use this for your hair dryer go for it.
Roger
Thats true, it is also evolution at work.
[ January 28, 2006, 06:17 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
electricmanscott
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Wasn't the title of this thread "Let's have some fun"? Ok I'm ready. Let's get started.
Wasn't the title of this thread "Let's have some fun"? Ok I'm ready. Let's get started.
LarryFine
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Haven't you been having fun all along?
electricman2
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Re: Lets have some fun.
We alredy are. Can't you picture Jim in the middle of the bathroom floor with his hairdryer plugged into the ceiling? :roll:
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Originally posted by electricman2:
We alredy are. Can't you picture Jim in the middle of the bathroom floor with his hairdryer plugged into the ceiling?
LarryFine
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Who says Jim is a man? :roll:Originally posted by iwire:
I'm having a good laugh just thinking of a man with a hair dryer.
Minuteman
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Who says Jim has hair?Originally posted by LarryFine:
Who says Jim is a man? :roll:Originally posted by iwire:
I'm having a good laugh just thinking of a man with a hair dryer.
jimwalker
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Re: Lets have some fun.
I still have some hair.But loosing it with some of the posts on here. We never really answered the OP.Why do these fans even have this type of connection that could be misused ?
I still have some hair.But loosing it with some of the posts on here.
We never really answered the OP.Why do these fans even have this type of connection that could be misused ?
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Why are panel covers held in place with screws?
Why not weld the covers on to save people from themselves?
And while we are wondering about these safety issues why don't they fence in the sides of all streets so I do not walk off the sidewalk into traffic?
I can touch the line side of the GFCI located beside the sink if I take the time to REMOVE THE COVER!
Why are panel covers held in place with screws?
Why not weld the covers on to save people from themselves?
And while we are wondering about these safety issues why don't they fence in the sides of all streets so I do not walk off the sidewalk into traffic?
jimwalker
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Bob i don't believe you cold touch the line side.Have you actually done this ?Originally posted by iwire:
I can touch the line side of the GFCI located beside the sink if I take the time to REMOVE THE COVER!
Why are panel covers held in place with screws?
Why not weld the covers on to save people from themselves?
And while we are wondering about these safety issues why don't they fence in the sides of all streets so I do not walk off the sidewalk into traffic?
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Check out this guys post..
We have to assume most folks have at least some commonsense. If we do not assume that the power companies should just pull everyones meter.
I think you may have missed the point of my post.
Check out this guys post..
Exactly, some folks can not be saved from themselves no mater what we do.
We have to assume most folks have at least some commonsense. If we do not assume that the power companies should just pull everyones meter.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2023
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Lets have some fun.
And yes, I make it a point for this temp GFI to always be the washer now, and always be low enough the washing machine will hide the ugly spot on the wall.
And yes, I have taken to wearing a cup just in case somebody loses their marbles and begins running through the project punching everybody in the groin. You never can be too safe, it could happen. :roll:
Jim, believe it or not, we're required by our quasi-OSHA inspectors to install cover on our temp GFI's on the rough, because "OSHA thinks someone with a screwdriver in their hand plugging in a cord could get shocked." I am not making this up.Originally posted by jimwalker:
Bob i don't believe you cold touch the line side. Have you actually done this?Originally posted by iwire:
I can touch the line side of the GFCI located beside the sink if I take the time to REMOVE THE COVER!
And yes, I make it a point for this temp GFI to always be the washer now, and always be low enough the washing machine will hide the ugly spot on the wall.
And yes, I have taken to wearing a cup just in case somebody loses their marbles and begins running through the project punching everybody in the groin. You never can be too safe, it could happen. :roll:
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Do find anything in 590 that modifies that requirement?
Temporary wiring must be installed just as permanent wiring unless modified by 590.
Live panels have to have the covers on as well.
Do you feel a plate is required for the finish inspection?
Do find anything in 590 that modifies that requirement?
Temporary wiring must be installed just as permanent wiring unless modified by 590.
Live panels have to have the covers on as well.
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Lets have some fun.
That's true, the NEC requires a cover as well.
I just think the premise is ridiculous. GFI's occupy so much of the surface area of the box, it would be a feat to make contact with the screws.
Panel covers do make sense, it is very easy to touch the energized busses. That I do agree with. Unfortunately, in the real world, the drywallers remove the cover to rock the wall, and frequently toss the screws and leave the cover on the floor. Given that fact, the cardboard inside the panel is almost safer.
That's true, the NEC requires a cover as well.
I just think the premise is ridiculous. GFI's occupy so much of the surface area of the box, it would be a feat to make contact with the screws.
Panel covers do make sense, it is very easy to touch the energized busses. That I do agree with. Unfortunately, in the real world, the drywallers remove the cover to rock the wall, and frequently toss the screws and leave the cover on the floor. Given that fact, the cardboard inside the panel is almost safer.
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Just as with the NEC we can not have a pick and chose attitude about the safety rules.
By the way, putting cardboard over the panel instead of the panel cover is likely to a change a simple violation to a 'willful violation'.
It shows you knew the rules but did not follow them.
As OSHA does fine a 'willful violation' is more costly.
I agree with your thought but we can not look at it that way.
Just as with the NEC we can not have a pick and chose attitude about the safety rules.
By the way, putting cardboard over the panel instead of the panel cover is likely to a change a simple violation to a 'willful violation'.
It shows you knew the rules but did not follow them.
As OSHA does fine a 'willful violation' is more costly.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2023
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: Lets have some fun.
Now, us having this discussion on a public internet forum, and the employment of a quasi-OSHA firm to inspect our jobsites, that demonstrates a willful disregard to the safety rules if I didn't install the covers.
Not really. Every panel I install has a dotted cut-out on the back of the box and is referred to as a "plaster shield" to protect the internals during construction. Someone could easily plead ignorance based on encouragement from the manufacturer.
Now, us having this discussion on a public internet forum, and the employment of a quasi-OSHA firm to inspect our jobsites, that demonstrates a willful disregard to the safety rules if I didn't install the covers.
jimwalker
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Re: Lets have some fun.
Your right Bob,i just tried it and did touch it. I agree that we can not stop every possible stupid accident caused by misuse.If memory serves me 20 years ago the fans had a different type of plug for connection.My point is that its not near as hard as you think for someone to misuse this receptacle.If the other one is full with plug in stuff then they just might use it.I have seen many crazy misuses of outlets.Some were even legal outlets for sprinklers or freezers in a garage and seen cords more than once from that GDO.
Your right Bob,i just tried it and did touch it.
I agree that we can not stop every possible stupid accident caused by misuse.If memory serves me 20 years ago the fans had a different type of plug for connection.My point is that its not near as hard as you think for someone to misuse this receptacle.If the other one is full with plug in stuff then they just might use it.I have seen many crazy misuses of outlets.Some were even legal outlets for sprinklers or freezers in a garage and seen cords more than once from that GDO.
peter d
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Re: Lets have some fun.
George, that's pretty weak. I realize we live in a blame society, but a prefessional electrician could never plead to be so ignorant as to use a cardboard cutout as a deadfront. :roll:
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