Leviton Panelboard

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Knuckle Dragger said:
"reminds me of Square D's attempt at this back in the early 90's. What was it called, Elan? Did not fly very well".

Me too.I remember that one beige plastic box, protected bus bar, slots to slide the NM cable from the front of the panel without the use of traditional connectors, a lot of cool features, it just didn't sell.
Square D had a big promo dinner trying to push that and the smart house in the height of the recession in the late eighties early nineties. I still don't know of anyone who purchased and installed one in my area.
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Trilliant perhaps?
 
kwired said:
Need to watch the video they have. There is no terminals on the breaker - you land both "hot" and "neutral" load wires on a lug near the foot of the breaker. Breaker has similar plug on jaws to connect to those as it has to connect to main bus.

Looks like you are limited to 60 amp circuit max.
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Thanks. I missed the video link first time around.

I agree with the several remarks about pricing - if it doesn't fall in line with the other manufacturers any smart electrician isn't going to pay the extra $$ unless he can get it back from his customer.
 
Hydralic breakers? The ones we have now are ambient compensated and do fine- I see no reason to reinvent the wheel for the sake of advertisement.
 
mbrooke said:
Hydralic breakers? The ones we have now are ambient compensated and do fine- I see no reason to reinvent the wheel for the sake of advertisement.
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Hydraulic breakers are what you attach to skid steer loaders or mini excavators to break up concrete;)
 
Hydraulic breakers are still widely used in certain industrial applications and are common in shipboard use. The trips are ambient insensitive and the mechanism is impervious to vibration and mechanical shock.

I saw a review of these from a trade show not too ling ago, in that the reviewer commented that Leviton was targeting this to be price competitive against Q0 panels, i.e. a higher end market aimed at homeowners directly. I'll see if I can find that review.

Found it:
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2018/01/10/ibs-2018-leviton-load-center
 
If the "end of life" on the AFCI/GFCI is short, EC's will be making lots of money on service calls to just replace breakers. :D HO will have a panel full of them and you'll have to suggest replacing them all since they probably will all be dying shortly.
 
Jraef said:
Hydraulic breakers are still widely used in certain industrial applications and are common in shipboard use. The trips are ambient insensitive and the mechanism is impervious to vibration and mechanical shock.

I saw a review of these from a trade show not too ling ago, in that the reviewer commented that Leviton was targeting this to be price competitive against Q0 panels, i.e. a higher end market aimed at homeowners directly. I'll see if I can find that review.

Found it:
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2018/01/10/ibs-2018-leviton-load-center
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True- however resi breakers are already ambient compensated and do well regardless. I guess its nothing to fret over as both get the job done in the end- but IMO I think they are tackling a none issue.
 
Leviton making a panelboard? :blink::happyno::sick::sick::sick:

Don't get me wrong, I really like Leviton wiring devices. But a panelboard? They should stick to the market they know best.

Now, if they enter the market and give the "big 4" a run for their money with better pricing, I'm all in on this Leviton panelboard. :p
 
If a wire burns up from a loose connection, a person used to just change the breaker and maybe spliced a fresh piece of wire onto the end of the one that burned off.

What happens now? The terminals are all separate from the breakers. Do you have to relocate the wire to a different terminal and put a breaker blank in the unusable space? Or can you replace just the terminal block?

These are a couple of questions I would want to know the answer too, before I would even consider the product. Component costs and predicted lifespan as well.
 
After studying it a little more and talking with another member here via PM, I've concluded this has serious design deficiencies and will be a major flop.

-No breaker lock provision.

-No provision for high amperage breaker addition, like 100 amps

-It looks like an inferior IEC breaker design, which is reason enough for me to dislike it
 
mbrooke said:
True- however resi breakers are already ambient compensated and do well regardless. I guess its nothing to fret over as both get the job done in the end- but IMO I think they are tackling a none issue.
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I agree. They seem to be a solution to a problem they have to convince people exists in Resi applications...

But hey, if a homeowner goes to one of these high-end shows and sees it, then insists on it and is willing to pay needlessly for it, what the heck! I mean, does a Wolfe range really cook your oatmeal any better than a Sears range? My boss just spent $40k on new high-end appliances in his kitchen, he and his wife never even cook! He showed me his 3 door commercial $6k refrigerator, it had a gallon of milk, a sixpack of beer and some sliced cheese in it.

Yes, this does seem like an IEC adaptation. End-of-Life indication is a new feature being pushed in a lot of IEC devices now.
 
peter d said:
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-No breaker lock provision.

-No provision for high amperage breaker addition, like 100 amps
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Does removing the breaker count as locking out, being that it's significantly easier to do? I don't keep up on LO "rules" as I work by myself and use whatever method I choose for the job.

The 60A breaker limit was for the snap-on configuration. I think someone mentioned there were up to 125A breakers available.
 
MAC702 said:
Does removing the breaker count as locking out, being that it's significantly easier to do? I don't keep up on LO "rules" as I work by myself and use whatever method I choose for the job.

The 60A breaker limit was for the snap-on configuration. I think someone mentioned there were up to 125A breakers available.
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I was thinking of the NEC allowance to install breaker locks in lieu of in-sight disconnects. There does not appear to be any capability to do that with the Leviton load center.
 
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