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Hey guys, ive asked for opinions in the past on this topic but i figured since im finally at 7 years id see what you guys had to say. I just hit my 7 years full time in the trade, my plan was to schedule my master electrician test around january 2018. My issue is this, my first boss (in the trade) had me partially on the books for 4.5 years. I spoke to him today bout what i should do and he said "i literally just found out that since you were on the books partially that it wont count." I know him well enough to know that he knew what he was doing. My question is what are my options? To prove my time in i have several options, one of which (that i see on the application form) is to get a noterized signed affidavit from a previous employer. So if he wanted couldnt he just do that for me? I will post a pic of the application forum. I feel so discouraged because ive worked so hard these 7 years and there is nothing more i want then getting my license.
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are you expecting someone you worked PT for in the past to lie for you on a notarized statement where he could be charged with perjury?

maybe I am not understanding what it is you really want from the guy.
 
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I did 7 years total so far. The past 2.5 years have been full time on the books, the first 4.5 years i did were part on the books and part cash, i didnt know any better and my old boss told me that it was better for us both that way. I was just nervous that with my old w2 forms from him that they wouldnt could cus it only shows part time on the books when ive worked a minimum of 40hrs the whole time. So i wondering since he initially screwed me, if he could rectify the situation by signing the affidavit. All i want is my fair chance to take my test

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Qojoe said:
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I did 7 years total so far. The past 2.5 years have been full time on the books, the first 4.5 years i did were part on the books and part cash, i didnt know any better and my old boss told me that it was better for us both that way. I was just nervous that with my old w2 forms from him that they wouldnt could cus it only shows part time on the books when ive worked a minimum of 40hrs the whole time. So i wondering since he initially screwed me, if he could rectify the situation by signing the affidavit. All i want is my fair chance to take my test

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Check out this thread, I don't think a fair chance is part of it although Suffolk County appears to be somewhat legit......

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=120918&page=2&highlight=nassau+masters+license
 
Thats crazy. Im waiting on a call back from conusmer affairs right now. This stinks

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Qojoe said:
". . . since you were on the books partially that it wont count."
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Nothing I have seen so far confirms this. In my state, what matters is the number of hours you worked, not the number of years it took you to amass that many hours. So if you worked half time for a year, you would get credited for about 1000 hours.
 
I worked full time though the whole time, at the time i didnt know any better though. I just took his word for it that the part time on the books was better. He didnt give me an option

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Qojoe said:
Sorry i must have worded it wrong. I did 7 years total so far. The past 2.5 years have been full time on the books, the first 4.5 years i did were part on the books and part cash, i didnt know any better and my old boss told me that it was better for us both that way. I was just nervous that with my old w2 forms from him that they wouldnt could cus it only shows part time on the books when ive worked a minimum of 40hrs the whole time. So i wondering since he initially screwed me, if he could rectify the situation by signing the affidavit. All i want is my fair chance to take my test

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It may well have been better for both of you from a financial standpoint.

I would suspect that if you have not submitted the W2s the board would have no way to know about the cash part of the deal and may not even care as long as you worked an adequate number of hours.

You must have some record of how many hours you worked. W2's. 1099s. if you were paid on 1099s you must have submitted some kind of bill to him to get paid.

The board may accept a vaguely written affidavit from him that just states you worked a minimum of 2000 hours each of those years without going into detail on the financial arrangements. My guess though is that he may not want to do that as the form of the affidavit probably has to state he was supervising you and if he swears out an affidavit stating that he could have issues trying to also claim you were an independent contractor.
 
You worked off the books part-time. Your boss and you both cheated the government of tax income and now it's biting you in the rear. Honest people like me paid our fair share and bit more to cover the part missing from the cheaters. I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for you. Perhaps working a few more years until you qualify for your licence in the proper penance.
 
Well i guess its just gonna b a waiting game, do u think its worth reporting him over this

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My experience with the IRS-
When 2 different past employers sent out my W2 it didn't match the pay stubs.
Yes they under reported what they took from my check and kept the difference.
The IRS only asks you to file an extra form with the correction and proof.
In another words calling and complaining to the IRS does little.

But by complaining your admitting you cheated on your taxes.
You would need to back pay taxes that were not claimed.
Most likely a fine and interest also.

Years later you'll notice you got cheated on your social security also.
When it comes time to calculate your benefits, those years won't show much.

Just be glad you were not injured on the job.
They could have just dragged you to the street and say you didn't work for them.
 
active1 said:
My experience with the IRS-
When 2 different past employers sent out my W2 it didn't match the pay stubs.
Yes they under reported what they took from my check and kept the difference.
The IRS only asks you to file an extra form with the correction and proof.
In another words calling and complaining to the IRS does little.

But by complaining your admitting you cheated on your taxes.
You would need to back pay taxes that were not claimed.
Most likely a fine and interest also.

Years later you'll notice you got cheated on your social security also.
When it comes time to calculate your benefits, those years won't show much.

Just be glad you were not injured on the job.
They could have just dragged you to the street and say you didn't work for them.
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Qojoe said:
And coppersmith im not asking for your sympathy. I didnt know better, now i do.

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Coppersmith said:
You worked off the books part-time. Your boss and you both cheated the government of tax income and now it's biting you in the rear. Honest people like me paid our fair share and bit more to cover the part missing from the cheaters. I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for you. Perhaps working a few more years until you qualify for your licence in the proper penance.
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Bottom line is that even your past employer who you worked off the books is not going to sign anything that could get him in trouble. If you worked off the books then there is the obvious under reported taxes, there is also the under reported Workers comp. In either case the employer would open himself to big fines and additional taxes. I cannot imagine that an employee did not know what the ramifications of working off the books meant.

Unfortunately you may need to suck it up!
We all do things because of work.
 
as kind of an aside.

some in law type relatives I know are in their 30s and 40s with no more than a few years of social security credit despite working full time and then some under the table. I doubt they have any money saved up for when they are too old and decrepit to work any more and the way they are going they are not going to have much in the way of social security benefits either.

this kind of thing seems pretty common these days. it seems like there are as many people working off the books as on.
 
Qojoe said:
Ill just wait, i dont want to be spiteful i should have known better

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This post shows that you are willing to take responsibility for your actions. Good for you. Your right, you should have known better and now you do. Pass this life lesson on to others when the occasion arises.
 
active1 said:
My experience with the IRS-
When 2 different past employers sent out my W2 it didn't match the pay stubs.
Yes they under reported what they took from my check and kept the difference.
The IRS only asks you to file an extra form with the correction and proof.
In another words calling and complaining to the IRS does little.

But by complaining your admitting you cheated on your taxes.
You would need to back pay taxes that were not claimed.
Most likely a fine and interest also.

Years later you'll notice you got cheated on your social security also.
When it comes time to calculate your benefits, those years won't show much.
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Unless you are not explaining this correctly I don't see how the employee would be in trouble. You said your employer deducted the correct amount of witholding from your paychecks according to your pay stubs but sent the IRS less and reported that lesser amount on your W2. If this was a witholding mistake and you were paid too much then, yes, you would owe the difference come April 15 and all would be good. But the employer knowingly cheated you and the IRS, first by pocketing some of your witholding then filing fraudulent witholding returns. It is he who faces federal charges, jail time, fines and restitution. So your SS account would be credited.

There are lots of employers sitting in federal prison for doing exactly this.

-Hal
 
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