Light in Crown Moulding

[charlietuna]

We installed something called "LUCIFER LIGHTS" on narrow kitchen coves. It's a low voltage lighting system that uses low wattage quarts lamps that plug into "cutable" strips. The transformers were remote located and heavy secondary wire(#10 and #8) were piped to the cove. It was expensive and lamp life was not real good!!

 

[wireguru]

I am curious, what kind of wiring method are you using on the secondary of the transformers supplied with the lighting?

MC or romex or flex + thhn or emt + thhn....theres a little junction box thing to transition from the covelum into something entering a 1/2 KO

 

[mkgrady]

There is a manufacturer that makes a product called "sill lights" or something very close to that name.

The product is a single receptacle that is the size of an attachment plug for cord caps, it will not require a box.

I'll check those out. Thanks.

Is there anything in the code that says you can't put a female cord end on the romex coming out of the wall, then plug the rope male end into it?

I thought that was against code, but nobody responded so I am now wondering the same thing. I wonder if the problem is that romex is a permenant wiring method that is supposed to be connected to things that attach to walls and such. Cord caps are'nt meant to be mounted to anything? Beats me.

We are going to be installing some impossibly skinny neon rope-light-esque stuff in an odd application today; it's pricey, but it might be something that you might sell the customer on. This stuff is akin to a fly-fishing line.

I'll get the specs and report back, but it'll be a couple days.

Thanks, I look forward to seeing what it is.

BTW, This is my first multiple post response. I'm starting to feel like a pro!

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Here is the sillites that others were talking about. You need a 1 3/4" hole but you need to block wood behind the sheetrock for the screws to attach to. They are now TR. Here is the website

 

[wireguru]

Is there anything in the code that says you can't put a female cord end on the romex coming out of the wall, then plug the rope male end into it?

female cord ends are listed for cord. Romex is not cord.

 

[mkgrady]

Here is the sillites that others were talking about. You need a 1 3/4" hole but you need to block wood behind the sheetrock for the screws to attach to. They are now TR. Here is the website

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Thanks. These seem like a good add-on for any resi wiring job.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

female cord ends are listed for cord. Romex is not cord.

And yet they make 2 wire romex with female ends for central vac jacks.

Thanks. These seem like a good add-on for any resi wiring job.

You're welcome

 

[wireguru]

And yet they make 2 wire romex with female ends for central vac jacks.


You're welcome

and those 2 wire receptacles for the central vac inlets are listed to be installed on romex. whats that have to do with putting a female cord cap on a piece of romex to supply a length of rope light?

 

[ItsHot]

cutting rope light?

cutting rope light?

Why can't you cut rope lighting?

 

[ishium 80439]

Why can't you cut rope lighting?

You can only cut it every 18" because of the way it is wired. If you don't cut it at the correct intervals it will break the circuit and it won't work.

You can't field cut it anymore because UL has decided that it is only under strictly controlled factory conditions that one can reasonably and safely cut a piece of plastic and secure a fitting on to the end of it.

 

[LarryFine]

Why can't you cut rope lighting?

Because it's made up of separate groups of low-voltage bulbs in series, and each group is 18" long (in the cable mentioned, at least.)

If you make a cut anywhere except between the end of one group and the beginning of the next one, you'll lose one group of bulbs.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

and those 2 wire receptacles for the central vac inlets are listed to be installed on romex. whats that have to do with putting a female cord cap on a piece of romex to supply a length of rope light?

I was just commenting that it is not allowed for us yet it is allowed in that situation. It just seems odd to me. Relax I wasn't attacking your comment just showing the difference.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

You can only cut it every 18" because of the way it is wired. If you don't cut it at the correct intervals it will break the circuit and it won't work.

You can't field cut it anymore because UL has decided that it is only under strictly controlled factory conditions that one can reasonably and safely cut a piece of plastic and secure a fitting on to the end of it.

I agree it has more to do with the way the cord end goes on. I see no problem with a molded cord end and cutting the opposite end however, I don't think UL will allow that either.

 

[wireguru]

I was just commenting that it is not allowed for us yet it is allowed in that situation. It just seems odd to me. Relax I wasn't attacking your comment just showing the difference.

Sorry, I didnt mean to come off as argumentative, and I didnt think you were attacking my comment. I am just saying you are talking about two different products.

 

[JWCELECTRIC]

female cord ends are listed for cord. Romex is not cord.

I would say that the female device is UL listed for it's purpose, not for what is is connected to.

 

[wireguru]

I would say that the female device is UL listed for it's purpose, not for what is is connected to.

Right, its listed purpose is installation on portable cord. The cord caps are listed for use on flexible cord, and the clamping mechanisms on the terminals are not designed for solid wire. There is also the 'use in accordance with manufacturers instructions' issue.

 

[JWCELECTRIC]

I have one in stock from Hubbell and it does not indicate that it is for cord only.

 

[iwire]

I would say that the female device is UL listed for it's purpose, not for what is is connected to.

The UL general directory (AKA 'The white book') indicates otherwise.

Cord Connector ? A female contact device to be wired on flexible cord
for use as an extension from an outlet to make a detachable electrical connection
to an attachment plug or, as an appliance coupler, to a male inlet.

TERMINALS:
The terminations of devices intended to be wired to flexible cord are
based on the use of flexible cord or cable having copper conductors, in
accordance with Article 400 of the National Electrical Code. The ampacity of
the flexible cords and cables is based on Section 400-5, tables 400-5(A) and
400-5(B). The conductors are sized as specified on the product or in the
manufacturer?s instructions provided with the device. The terminations are
based on the use of 60 C flexible cord or cable.

 

[jumper]

I have one in stock from Hubbell and it does not indicate that it is for cord only.

Interesting, I have a Leviton 5269-C and it says refer to NEC art. 400 for wire type. Different manufactures, different listing, strange. Why one says yes and another says no is weird.

 

[iwire]

I have one in stock from Hubbell and it does not indicate that it is for cord only.

It also does not indicate it is for use with solid conductors, you must use the white book to ensure you are in compliance with 110.3(B).