Lighting Retrofit Work

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johnsonl

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Scenario:

An owner contracts with a company to have its building?s lighting system retrofitted for energy saving purposes (i.e. T12 fluorescents w/magnetic ballasts changed to T8 fluorescents with electronic ballasts and any incandescent lights also changed to fluorescents).

The buildings electrical system has been modified several times over the years and the ?as builts?, if any, are inaccurate as are the panel schedules, and the building?s lighting is primarily 277v 3 Phase.

Lighting circuitry example: Second Floor, North Side, the second floor?s lighting distribution panel in the wall fed from the main panel on the first floor (EMT).

The lighting conductors are then run through a common 2? EMT conduit from the distribution panel to a large junction box above the ceiling, then additional ? or ? EMT conduits are then run above the ceiling (acoustical drop ceiling) to other junction boxes above each fixture, and then the conductors terminate to the fixture via FMC (Note: The raceways are the equipment grounding conductors).

Question: The contractor and owner view the work as ?Maintenance and Repair? and contend the contractor is not responsible to verify the existing lighting circuits are,

a. Not overloaded (Note: Changes from magnetic ballasts to electronic ballasts does affect the harmonics of the system)

b. Correctly grounded (i.e. over time these systems have been worked on and upon inspection you can visually see where some of the above ceiling the conduits are bent at the couplings)

c. Wired correctly (i.e. conductor sizes, temperature rating, fittings and wire nuts tight and made up properly)

In short, the contention is the contractor can replace/install these new ballasts (over 4,000 of them) and does not have to verify that the electrical circuits for which he or she replaces the ballasts on is code compliant.

Your Thoughts and Comments Please!

[ January 11, 2006, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: charlie b ]
 
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Often the change from a magnetic ballast to an electronic ballast will reduce harmonics.
If the circuit is overloaded, the overcurrent protection for the branch circuit would trip. If they are not extending circuits and just replacing fixtures/ballasts, there is no national code requirement that makes them update grounding from previous code cycles where it may have been compliant.

PS: when I first read the topic, I was excited to see a question regarding lightning, not lighting.

[ January 11, 2006, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: ron ]
 
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Originally posted by ron:PS: when I first read the topic, I was excited to see a question regarding lightning, not lighting.
At the request of the originator, I have corrected the spelling. You will note that the title of this thread no longer says "lightning."
 
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Question clarification:

Is the retrofitting contractor responsible for ensuring that the electrical circuits for which he or she replaces the ballasts on is code compliant?
 
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I don't feel that the EC is responsible to make sure that these circuits are code compliant. Replacing a ballast is not really changing or adding to the existing circuit. What if you were just replacing failed ballasts with new magnetics? Would anyone require you to bring circuits into compliance? In MA we also have a rule that states that "additions or modifications to an existing installation shall be made in accordance with this Code, without bringing the remaining part of the installation into compliance withe the requirements of this code. The installation shall not create a violation of this code, nor shall it increase the magnitude of an existing violation."
 
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Mr. Erickson,

Thank you for the reply, and please let me add to the scenario....

You open the fixture, and you find that the fixture has knockout holes that are not sealed, and the fitting for the flex conduit is loose and the junction box that the fixture is fed from does not have a cover and its box fill is exceeded.
 
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Originally posted by johnsonl:
Is the retrofitting contractor responsible for ensuring that the electrical circuits for which he or she replaces the ballasts on is code compliant?
Do you have any reason to believe they would be responsible for verifying all these circuits?

I read you description and other than "conduits are bent at the couplings" I do not see any thing to worry about.

The conversion from magnetic ballasts to electronic will only drop the load. If the circuits work with the existing load they will certainly work with the future reduced load.

Would you feel the same way if they where just changing lamps?
 
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A licenced contractor, IMHO has a moral if not legal liability to inform the customer of anything he finds that is not safe or code compliant.

Beyoned that, if the scope of the work was to just replace a ballast, then that is all the work that needs to be done to get paid.
 
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I have been involved in a few of these jobs.

We get a set amount of money per fixture.

There is no 'extra' for chasing circuits and repairing existing electrical work. If I saw something that was IMO an "imminent danger" I would inform the customer as jbwhite suggested.

Beyond that it is up to the customer to expand the scope of the work if they so choose.

Do you think an electrician is obligated to work for free?
 
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Originally posted by johnsonl:
Mr. Erickson,

Thank you for the reply, and please let me add to the scenario....

You open the fixture, and you find that the fixture has knockout holes that are not sealed, and the fitting for the flex conduit is loose and the junction box that the fixture is fed from does not have a cover and its box fill is exceeded.
If I were doing the job and saw conditions which I felt posed a hazard, I would repair them, and bill for it. I probably would not be in a contract situation which did not have language to address such a situation. If it were a violation which I felt was not a hazard, I would not repair it unless discussed with owner.

I do a lot of lighting retro-fit work, and on probably 10% of them we make repairs and bill accordingly.

And please, call me John. :)

With that said, if a wiring inspector notices a violation which poses a hazard in MA, he is required to notify the owner in writing. As a contractor, I believe you have the same moral obligation, if not legal obligation.

John
 
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Mr. Erickson,

Thank you for reply, and I agree that an obligation to inform and report exists for both the contractor and the inspector, for both parties have a responsibilities to the owner that go beyond just the replacement of a ballast.

Again, thank you for your comment!
 
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iwire, in this scenario, the raceways are the equipment grounding conductors for the light fixtures and the conduits are bent as such as the couplings have cracked at the set screw, therefore, is the fixture in compliance with NEC 410.20 and 410.21?
 
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