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Oakey

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I have just taken a job in a store and I need to price 9-2x4 lay in flourescent lights in drop ceiling installed with bulbs. I'm mostly residential so my guess is 150 a light? Just curious about the going rate,Good working conditions too ..Electronic with 4 bulbs, cost is about 56 per setup. Appreciate any replies..Btw its using romex
 
I don't have my NEC with me to look it up, but I don't beleive NM can be used above a suspended ceiling in commercial applications, only resi.

Please correct (gently) me if i am wrong.
 
Don't forget the support wires, and did you check to see if the space is plenum rated, on our commercial jobs we use whips, to J-Boxes, and usually EMT, or MC for the feeds, and don't forget you need to support the cables, and not to the fixture supports.


Code, or no code NM up there is asking for problems.

Quote: "my guess is"
Check everything out, don't guess, figure all your costs, material plus mark-up, labor and overhead, and add some profit.
 
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No nm in other then 1,2 or multifamily, 334.12(A2), I just did a lighting project in the beginning of the year, replaced existing 2x2 surface with 2x4 troffers, $152.00 for 3 tube, electronic with low ballast factor and special bulbs to meet efficiency VT which gives back a rebate to the owner, I didn't have to run any wire, reused existing ac whips and had to install tie wires that weren't there before, also no disposal of old stuff, it went in there scrap pile, worked out good. averaged about an hour a light and about $65.00 in material.
 
Oakey said:
I have just taken a job in a store and I need to price 9-2x4 lay in flourescent lights in drop ceiling installed with bulbs. .....Btw its using romex

The RX is probably going to be a problem - 334.12(A)(2).
Putting the RX issue aside....

I think your $150/fixture is low...I'm at $185 per fixture - no wire, supports, switching, etc.
 
fixture whips

fixture whips

is the requirement for fixture whip support a code from the nec or international building code. if not nec will we be required to follow it.
 
Thank you for the information .This store was newly renovated 1 yr ago with romex,(sheetrocked ceiling) and hasnt been used. I will gladly (and prefer) to use mc..I guess they "got away with it." This is a multi store building btw.

Separate issue now that I've read this ....All receptacles in this store have new 12/2 Rx . I have to refeed some due to a plumber's mistakes, is the Rx in the wall ok with my new mc feed?

*After I posted this I went back to the store and checked on the drop ceiling. All A/C and heat vents are below the ceiling grid and come out the sheetrock wall. Aka there is no ductwork up there. For future reference do I have an issue here and what qualifies as a plenum ceiling? I remember arguing with my old boss about this. Thank you
 
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334.12

334.12

New Jersey has excluded 334.12(A)(2), so romex is still permitted above dropped ceilings in structures of Type III, IV, and V construction. I don't know if this has changed since NJ adopted the '05 in May. But it doesn't go into full effect until October, so you can still use romex on your project if you choose to.
Edit: Hasn't changed.....

John
 
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JES2727 said:
New Jersey has excluded 334.12(A)(2), so romex is still permitted above dropped ceilings in structures of Type III, IV, and V construction. I don't know if this has changed since NJ adopted the '05 in May. But it doesn't go into full effect until October, so you can still use romex on your project if you choose to.
Edit: Hasn't changed.....

John
http://www.nema.org/stds/fieldreps/codealerts/20060505nj.cfm
Section 334.12(A)(2) is deleted in its entirety.


It would seem that my earlier refernce to 334.12(A)(2) was WRONG!
 
JES2727 said:
New Jersey has excluded 334.12(A)(2), so romex is still permitted above dropped ceilings in structures of Type III, IV, and V construction. I don't know if this has changed since NJ adopted the '05 in May. But it doesn't go into full effect until October, so you can still use romex on your project if you choose to.
Edit: Hasn't changed.....

John


Wow. Is there an easy way an EC can get information on what is and what is not allowed in there state? I get bulletins from the EC association but its not always helpful and calling the state takes time (theres and ours).
 
Oakey said:
Wow. Is there an easy way an EC can get information on what is and what is not allowed in there state? I get bulletins from the EC association but its not always helpful and calling the state takes time (theres and ours).
celtic said:
http://www.nema.org/stds/fieldreps/codealerts/20060505nj.cfm


It would seem that my earlier refernce to 334.12(A)(2) was WRONG!

Above is for NJ only
Below is for ALL states:
http://www.nema.org/stds/fieldreps/codealerts/
 
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Just out of curiousity.. if a state deletes or changes a code section of the NEC can the EC still fail inspection due to the local town AHJ rule?
 
Oakey said:
Just out of curiousity.. if a state deletes or changes a code section of the NEC can the EC still fail inspection due to the local town AHJ rule?
Not in NJ.

I think it was [Infinity]...who stated that all NJ towns follow the same NEC and amendments (UCC seems to ring a bell here).

Sorry if I dropped the wrong name there.

If in doubt, call Newark:
Ms. Barbara A. Cook,
Executive Director, Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors,
P.O. Box 45006,
Newark, N.J. 07101,
(973) 504-6410.

http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/nonmedical/electrical.htm

Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors
Rules
 
Oakey,

The wiring method can change, depending on type, and use, type and use is often overlooked, also local requirements, and fire codes, you may see NM in some commercial and it may be approved, but there is plenty of commercial out there that was done without permits, so best give trenton a call and get an official opinion on the issue, DCA 609-984 7609
 
I got the call to see the job I posted on this thread friday. It turned out to be 9 lights, 7-20 amp circuits with 20 amp recpetacles and refeed a bunch of stuff from the plumbers evil cutters. Clean store with no one in it yet. I gave her a price on Sunday of $3700 and all she said was "Can you have it all done by Tues?" I did the job today( all MC cable) and she paid me like I was promised. Somehow managed to get the permit sealed this morning. Material was about $800.00 so for 12 hrs of work I figured I did great.Thanks to all my bros here for the $ hints and job advice!
 
Oakey said:
I got the call to see the job I posted on this thread friday. It turned out to be 9 lights, 7-20 amp circuits with 20 amp recpetacles and refeed a bunch of stuff from the plumbers evil cutters. Clean store with no one in it yet. I gave her a price on Sunday of $3700 and all she said was "Can you have it all done by Tues?" I did the job today( all MC cable) and she paid me like I was promised. Somehow managed to get the permit sealed this morning. Material was about $800.00 so for 12 hrs of work I figured I did great.Thanks to all my bros here for the $ hints and job advice!

$241.00 an hour, thats a good rate of pay. :cool:
 
Oakey said:
Just out of curiousity.. if a state deletes or changes a code section of the NEC can the EC still fail inspection due to the local town AHJ rule?

In Oklahoma... Yes! The State and every municipality can amend the code. It's up to the EC to know the amendments in each jurisdiction.

Each municipality also chooses which code cycle to adopt. Most of the Suburbs including where I live have adopted the 2005 cycle, The major city is in the 2002, and another Suburb is in the 1996.
 
JES2727 said:
New Jersey has excluded 334.12(A)(2), so romex is still permitted above dropped ceilings in structures of Type III, IV, and V construction. I don't know if this has changed since NJ adopted the '05 in May. But it doesn't go into full effect until October, so you can still use romex on your project if you choose to.
Edit: Hasn't changed.....

John
Btw JES2727 a big thanks for this heads up on this.
 
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