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What do you think of some of these local amendments ive found that MIGHT take effect. they are still debating over it for 2008.


Other than dwelling units - GFCI requirements.
(((1))) (2) GFCI requirements.
(a) For the purposes of NEC 210.8(B), kitchen means any area
where utensils, dishes, etc., are cleaned or where food or
beverages are prepared or cooked.
(b) All 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in
wet locations must have Class A ground-fault circuit interrupter
protection((s)) for personnel.


012 Arc-fault circuit-interrupter protection.
(((3) For the purpose of)) (4) NEC 210.12(B)((,)) is amended
to require AFCI protection only for dwelling unit bedroom spaces.
(a) Dwelling unit bedroom spaces include spaces that:
(i) Are used as the bedroom;

Wiring and protection--Branch circuits.
008(A) Dwelling units GFCI requirements.
(1) In a garage or unfinished basement, a red receptacle, with
a red cover plate, supplying a fire alarm system is not required to
have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection. The receptacle
must be identified for use only with the fire alarm system by an
identification plate or engraved cover with letters at least 1/4"
high


Bonding - other metal piping.
(10) For flexible metal gas piping, installed new or extended
from an existing rigid metal piping system, either:
(a) Provide a copy of the manufacturer's bonding instructions
to the inspector at the time of inspection and follow those
instructions; or
(b) The bonding conductor for the gas system must:
(i) Be a minimum 6 AWG copper; and
(ii) Terminate at:
(A) An accessible location at the gas meter end of the gas
piping system on either a solid iron gas pipe or a cast flexible
gas piping fitting using a listed grounding connector; and
(B) Either the service equipment enclosure, service grounding
electrode conductor or electrode, or neutral conductor bus in the
service enclosure

Electrical metallic tubing.
(1) In addition to complying with the provisions of Article
358 NEC, electrical metallic tubing may not be installed in direct
contact with the earth or in concrete on or below grade. Also see
NEC 300.6 for resistance to corrosion.
(2) Where electrical metallic tubing is installed in wet
locations, an equipment grounding conductor must be provided within
the raceway and sized per NEC 250.122
 
Most seem very reasonable. I am curious about the last one. Does your area have issues with EMT rusting outdoors?
 
I see no problems with any of that. Though, if they were smart they would disallow duplex recepts for the FA circuit to prevent the inevitable use of the second half of the duplex.
 
I'm kind with Dennis on the last thought also, but with a different twist, if you get into class structures (my last job cames to mind).

No EMT was allowed below 48", this was stated in the spec's, so we took a FX Box a half stick or full stick of rigid and throw it on the wall and changed over to EMT then back to the panel. If I had to do this half basement combination HVAC & main electrical in all Rigid, I would probably still be there... :roll:
 
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iwire said:
What is an FA circuit?
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FA=fire alarm. It's mentioned specifically in the 3rd addendum the OP listed, but nowhere does it specifically prohibit duplex recepts. But, IMO the same notion holds true for any equipment dedicated circuit. Code or not, I'm a big fan of the single recept in such cases.
 
Other than dwelling units - GFCI requirements.
(((1))) (2) GFCI requirements.
(a) For the purposes of NEC 210.8(B), kitchen means any area
where utensils, dishes, etc., are cleaned or where food or
beverages are prepared or cooked.

If I were cleaning pots and pans at a lean-to in my backyard where I also cook over an open fire, would this be called a "kitchen" according to your definition? :)
 
Other than dwelling units
wbalsam1 said:
If I were .... in my backyard where I also cook over an open fire, would this be called a "kitchen" according to your definition? :)
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What do you think?:wink:
 
wbalsam1 said:
Other than dwelling units - GFCI requirements.
(((1))) (2) GFCI requirements.
(a) For the purposes of NEC 210.8(B), kitchen means any area
where utensils, dishes, etc., are cleaned or where food or
beverages are prepared or cooked.

If I were cleaning pots and pans at a lean-to in my backyard where I also cook over an open fire, would this be called a "kitchen" according to your definition? :)
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That covered by the GFCI on the back of the house, right!
Granted that only a device...
 
brother said:
What do you think of some of these local amendments ive found that MIGHT take effect. they are still debating over it for 2008.
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I think you should change your profile to show that you live in Washington State. :D Your collection of proposed amendments seems to match the local amendments being debated here.

I will add that the AFCI requirement also includes spaces that are accessed only through the bedroom and spaces that are ancillary to the bedrooms function (e.g., closets, sitting areas). It explicitly excluded bathrooms from the AFCI requirement.

My only comment is that I think including washing utensils in the definition of "kitchen" goes too far.
 
charlie b said:
My only comment is that I think including washing utensils in the definition of "kitchen" goes too far.
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Well, that is the wettest part of a restaurant. The people who wash dishes (including myself, many moons ago) spray water around like you wouldn't believe.
That area needs GFCI protection more than anywhere else.
 
charlie b said:


My only comment is that I think including washing utensils in the definition of "kitchen" goes too far.
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Sounds like they are trying to get all of the 'Office Break Areas' where you may not have "Cooked" there.... But the cord on the microwave oven would reach to an area where it could be reached from the sink.... You might get a shock - Oh My! :rolleyes:
 
e57 said:
Sounds like they are trying to get all of the 'Office Break Areas' where you may not have "Cooked" there.... But the cord on the microwave oven would reach to an area where it could be reached from the sink.... You might get a shock - Oh My! :rolleyes:
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I don't understand the reluctance to provide GFCIs.

They are a proved technology that does save lives, it seems a bit odd not to use them more.

I hope the NEC continues to expand the GFCI requirements.
 
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