Look at the workmanship I ran into today

[don_resqcapt19]

I see it all the time, and surprisingly it doesn't dissolve into the dirt or explode or do anything nasty other than violate the Code.

It will last a long time. I worked on the replacement of a feeder for the lights at a football field that was three single directly buried 1/0 THW conductors....it lasted some 35 years and was likely done in by a lighting strike.... at least that is what our invoice said

 

[mgookin]

It will last a long time. I worked on the replacement of a feeder for the lights at a football field that was three single directly buried 1/0 THW conductors....it lasted some 35 years and was likely done in by a lighting strike.... at least that is what our invoice said

Sports fields, parks & billboards rank tops for where I used to run into conditions which could immediately kill.

Many ballfields are run by volunteers who change from year to year. Every time someone new gets there "oh, this is normal".

Billboards are where the only guy there is the paper hanger. He's paid to hang & run.

Parks? Not sure why but I was at a concert and saw an 8 year old playing INSIDE the outdoor switchgear because the cabinets were rotted away. Dealt with shocks and electrocutions in parks and heard of many more. In a park you're supposed to watch out for the mugger, not the amperage.

OP: what kind of facility is that picture from?

 

[sparkcontrol]

New color codes:

Green for ungrounded
Green for grounded
Invisible (or striped invisible) for grounding

:happyno:

The way that cord is wired is a 'suicide cord', I'd bet the male end is plugged into a receptacle to backfeed a building.

what article is it where NM (Romex) can be buried?

 

[liquidtite]

Nm cable can not be buried it's only rated for dry locations

 

[kwired]

what article is it where NM (Romex) can be buried?

It is a dry location cable, anything buried is not considered dry.

It is not intended nor is it tested or listed for anything but dry locations. Doesn't mean it won't work or stand up to damp or wet conditions, just plain and simple is not intended for them.

 

[mgookin]

Ground looked pretty dry to me. hmy:

 

[electrofelon]

I never understand why electricians are so focused on how others do this work.

Others bad electrical work is job security for me.

Lighten up Bob, (most of us find it) really really funny

 

[kwired]

Ground looked pretty dry to me. hmy:

Based on his location, it probably should be some of the driest ground on average for most of the US.:happyyes:

 

[alive wire]

Lighten up Bob, (most of us find it) really really funny

That's why I posted it so we could all laugh and have a good time with it

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[alive wire]

Sports fields, parks & billboards rank tops for where I used to run into conditions which could immediately kill.

Many ballfields are run by volunteers who change from year to year. Every time someone new gets there "oh, this is normal".

Billboards are where the only guy there is the paper hanger. He's paid to hang & run.

Parks? Not sure why but I was at a concert and saw an 8 year old playing INSIDE the outdoor switchgear because the cabinets were rotted away. Dealt with shocks and electrocutions in parks and heard of many more. In a park you're supposed to watch out for the mugger, not the amperage.

OP: what kind of facility is that picture from?

Bingo, this feeds a monument sign at a commercial property

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[chicar]

The person who did this do show some skills. At least they marked the gray wires in case of future troubleshooting. Gotta love it....

 

[JFletcher]

what article is it where NM (Romex) can be buried?

UF is suitable for direct burial. NM isnt. I was joking about the other hack work in the box since the buried NM had already been mentioned. NM being buried is a violation of 334.12(B)(4) - 2008 NEC

 

[wwhitney]

UF is suitable for direct burial. NM isnt.

Everybody here knows that. It made me wonder, though: if a manufacturer made a cable that was like NM, but without any paper, would it meet the requirements and performance standards of UF?

Cheers, Wayne

 

[mgookin]

Everybody here knows that. It made me wonder, though: if a manufacturer made a cable that was like NM, but without any paper, would it meet the requirements and performance standards of UF?

Cheers, Wayne

I believe the outer jacket is different between NM & UF.

 

[Strathead]

Bingo, this feeds a monument sign at a commercial property

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That is where the mistake is.:slaphead: I think this is only allowed for swimming pools.

 

[K8MHZ]

I believe the outer jacket is different between NM & UF.

NM has a jacket. UF has to have an integral or overall covering that meets certain criteria the NM jacket does not have to meet.

 

[peter d]

Hack work no longer fazes me. Once you do this for a while, you've pretty much seen it all. I fix it if I'm in a position to do so, otherwise I walk away and life goes on.

 

[wwhitney]

NM has a jacket. UF has to have an integral or overall covering that meets certain criteria the NM jacket does not have to meet.

Can you be more specific? What criterion does UF have to meet that can't be satisfied by a jacket?

Cheers, Wayne

 

[mgookin]

Can you be more specific? What criterion does UF have to meet that can't be satisfied by a jacket?

Cheers, Wayne

UF is molded which I believe prevents air or water from being in there. UF is more rugged too; It's a different polymer.

NM just has a sheath.

Cut a cross section of the two and look.

 

[wwhitney]

Cut a cross section of the two and look.

I understand the difference, I've used both.

What I'm asking is why UF has the full encasement, and whether a cable manufacturer could design a cable that would meet the listing requirements for UF that only has an overall jacket.

Thanks,
Wayne