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celtic said:
Anyone remember these things:

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The Cheetah Speed System.

Proprietary boxes and devices.



http://www.cheetahspeed.com/
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:mad: ..... I just used that system last year on a custom home....not impressed at all!!!!! Will never recomend it either!!!
 
I am not sure they would be much of a savings on residential work, at least not the average size house.

I am inspecting a rather large job, with thousands of receptacles being installed. This is the second project the contractor is using these devices on. He says there is not only a time saving feature on this product, but a wiring saving feature, which is the predominant reason he is using them.
Most guys on this site that respond are doing a lot of the work themselves.
This contractor has many men, doing large to very large commercial work and 30 - 40 story buildings. He told me that there are less wiring mishaps with these units, as opposed to when his guys are installing the device the standard method. He says that in itself pays for the additional cost plus.


I see any kind of modular wiring as being the future of our industry. I believe that will also stand true for modular wiring of devices as well.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I am not sure they would be much of a savings on residential work, at least not the average size house.

I am inspecting a rather large job, with thousands of receptacles being installed. This is the second project the contractor is using these devices on. He says there is not only a time saving feature on this product, but a wiring saving feature, which is the predominant reason he is using them.
Most guys on this site that respond are doing a lot of the work themselves.
This contractor has many men, doing large to very large commercial work and 30 - 40 story buildings. He told me that there are less wiring mishaps with these units, as opposed to when his guys are installing the device the standard method. He says that in itself pays for the additional cost plus.


I see any kind of modular wiring as being the future of our industry. I believe that will also stand true for modular wiring of devices as well.
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What quality are the installers ? Years ago i used my wife to install simple outlets. Takes at most 15 minutes training. If he can't find low priced help able to do the job then something is very wrong . Also have seen that few helpers have the speed of seasoned men. So cheap by the hour might not be cheap by the job. Will admit if they have the new pigtails they are just about idiot proof, no turning hook wrong way or confusing white with black. But if they more than an extra $1 i would say no to them.
 
iwire said:
So a plug is not good enough to supply a plug? Kind of rules out extension cords. :D

I would use them in a heartbeat if the price made it worthwhile.
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I agree with this. I've use these and one other similar style plug style. That are nice but I just don't think they are cost efficient. There's plenty of "better" technology that doesn't get used just because the way the tech does it and has always done it will usually by the cheapest way...
 
Not exactly my point there. My point was any time any device employed connections by utilizing wiper tension, it "seems" to me, there is more of a concern for failure. Is a plug not good enough for a plug? Well, with these devices, we now have an extra "plug" using wiper connections.

My point entirely, was not about time savings. What I wanted to say and ask about, was that I think a side-wrapped screw terminal device with proper torq. seems much more reliable after years of possible heavy loads. I just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way.
 
I think the guy who came up with the labor savings percentage on these was just trying to outdo the MCAP guy from Southwire on level of unbelievability.

I do know several contractors that use them on large projects - hotels and large office buildings. They say the labor savings pays off somewhere in the 600 to 1000 receptacle range. Anything smaller than that is not worth it. If you corner the P&S or Leviton guys, they will actually tell you the same thing (off the record of course.)
 
MarkyMarkNC said:
I think the guy who came up with the labor savings percentage on these was just trying to outdo the MCAP guy from Southwire on level of unbelievability.
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I don't believe the manufacturers stats myself, but I do think eliminating ALL the EGC's terminations on a project using MCAp is going to save a significant amount of time.
 
M. D. said:
Here is a video for the P&S system ,.. there are no exposed live parts so I think the device could be changed live ,..

http://www.passandseymour.com/plugtail/video_hi.cfm
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I justed watched the video and the poor electrician was breaking a sweat installing the receptacle. Maybe he should carry bottled water around doing the finish or would Gatorade be better to keep his electrolites up to full power.

I started using wall nuts and doing all the splices on the rough. I even make the hooks, and I didn't have to keep a wire cart next to me.

Did anyone notice the ground position in that film?? I wonder why he installed the receptacle upside down?? :grin:
 
BLACK4TRUCK said:
Did anyone notice the ground position in that film?? I wonder why he installed the receptacle upside down?? :grin:
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That's because he is from the "silly" school of thought that says: "if the metal plate comes off for some reason while something is only plugged in halfway then it won't short out". This is silly rationaliztion of course. I mean think about what the odds are that that is possible.
 
Yeah and the guy doing it the usual way did an outstanding job of getting in there with his kleins and giving those wires a good twist.
 
"Pigtailing ~ it's a common practice used by electricians on a commercial project"

Probably a common practice because it's a common practice to use a network...

"...it requires dragging a wire caddy around..."

No it doesn't...leave the legs longer on the rough, and make up the tails while the walls are still open...aka "as you go".


"Trim out...one of the toughest challenges in commercial wiring..."

If the rough was done with a little thought, it's a breeze...
...although during the comparison of time they are not comparing apples to apples.


Don't get me wrong, generally I like P&S stuff...with this item, being "dead front" is a plus.
 
steelersman said:
That's because he is from the "silly" school of thought that says: "if the metal plate comes off for some reason while something is only plugged in halfway then it won't short out". This is silly rationaliztion of course. I mean think about what the odds are that that is possible.
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I will use something "new".. a plastic plate and install my receptacles the old fashioned way. Seems that silly mode of thought came about same time as someone got a bright idea of calling lighting fixtures LUMINAIRS. Those code making panels need to get out more in the real world
 
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