Look out back-stabber's.

[celtic]

I say just connect the wires to the device. Why introduce another connection to the equation?

No debate there at all

It would have to be taped up to keep out paint and drywall mud.

They may come with the pigtail in a little baggie...splice it up....put he baggie on and leave it in the bag while other trades do their thing/s. It's a typical set up that LV guys do as well.

....let's not forget, I doubt the 50% claim.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Other than the higher cost they might be ok. Should takes less than 4 minutes to install a typical duplex. So even if they are right (i dought that) they better be cheap to make worth while. Anyone got a price on one of them ?

 

[Mule]

I think it would be faster and much cheaper to prefab some regular receptacles using pigtails and wagos. This assumes, of course, that you are ok with using wagos.

Yes it always seems like things that are supposed to save labor, usually suck the labor units $$'s right out of your billfold when you purchase...and when billable hours are a shortage, that's grocery money

 

[amptech]

P&S has had their version, called the Plugtail, out for a few years now. My rep has tried to get me to use them on a couple of jobs. I crunched the numbers and they just weren't cost-effective for the jobs I considered using them on. I think if you had a large apartment complex to do you might be able to justify them. The price breaks didn't start until quantities were very high.

 

[C3PO]

One of the benifits that the reps around here push is that the receptacles can be changed out hot. They seem like a good product, but they are not worth the extra money IMO

 

[M. D.]

O.K. amptech ,... I just did a google image search on "plug tail" ,......and let me tell you,......... I wish the safe search was enabled .:roll:

 

[Mule]

P&S has had their version, called the Plugtail, out for a few years now. My rep has tried to get me to use them on a couple of jobs. I crunched the numbers and they just weren't cost-effective for the jobs I considered using them on. I think if you had a large apartment complex to do you might be able to justify them. The price breaks didn't start until quantities were very high.

Hey that's a pretty good lookn Farmall, is it a A? or B? tricycle single wheel row crop? can't tell by pic, since its a bit fuzzy

One of the benifits that the reps around here push is that the receptacles can be changed out hot. They seem like a good product, but they are not worth the extra money IMO

Those reps are taking on some liability stating that they can be changed out hot, does the manufacture suggest that, I doubt it?? Sounds like a typical salesman for sure..

 

[billdozier]

so a 3 minute job is done in a minute and a half? are you truely saving that much money? How does it affect box fill? Do you really want your helper making up more joints then he has to thinking resi here. Comercial it might work. Since joints are already made. But on trim you only have one wire to deal with. so is it really cost effective. I cant see it. Wagos are you serious Peter?

 

[celtic]

Anyone remember these things:

The Cheetah Speed System.

Proprietary boxes and devices.

With an exclusive partnership, Cheetah and Leviton combine their 40% labor saving system with world class electrical products - delivering speed with Quality and Innovation

http://www.cheetahspeed.com/

 

[M. D.]

for commercial work the plug tail might be attractive depending on the quality of the connection ... the cheetah thing ,..I doubt I would ever choose to use

I would guess both are available in TR??

 

[M. D.]

Here is a video for the P&S system ,.. there are no exposed live parts so I think the device could be changed live ,..

http://www.passandseymour.com/plugtail/video_hi.cfm

 

[steelersman]

you still have to pigtail them with wirenuts whereas you don't with backstabs. So it's definitely not saving ME any time if I were to do an entire house.

 

[daleuger]

I think it's no different than the pigtailing you're going to be doing a lot of time on commercial anyway. When we have a mass quantity of them to put in we'll go ahead and make up the plugs with the pigtails already hanging off. Seems to me this does the same thing even faster. If it costs that much more I don't know what you're really saving though.

 

[peter d]

FWIW, the P&S PlugTail system and the comparable Leviton system are only made with spec and hospital grade wiring devices (5362, 5262, etc etc.) It's not a product designed or intended for residential use, unless you are planning on serious overkill.

Also, P&S invented the system in 2004, so this is nothing new.

 

[B4T]

What good is an outlet that costs twice as much and saves you very little time?? Making 5 eye hooks for an outlet was never a problem for any of us here.. I HOPE :grin:

 

[220/221]

I seem to remember in the old days, receps that had a little retainer built in so you didn't have to pre make the little loops.

We just put the tip of the stripped wire in the retainer and wrapped it around the screw. I don't seem to be able to do that anymore. It was faster the making the hooks with your stripper hole.


As for ANY net savings? I don't see it.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Here is a video for the P&S system ,.. there are no exposed live parts so I think the device could be changed live ,..

http://www.passandseymour.com/plugtail/video_hi.cfm

That film was rigged as i hope you know. And the ground goes down LOL.
If my helper dragged out a wire cart for this he will be sent home. Unless these cost only 10 cents extra i will do without. Real smart if only 1 set of wires in box, add a pigtail and wire nuts when neither was needed.

 

[480sparky]

That film was rigged as i hope you know. And the ground goes down LOL.
If my helper dragged out a wire cart for this he will be sent home. Unless these cost only 10 cents extra i will do without. Real smart if only 1 set of wires in box, add a pigtail and wire nuts when neither was needed.

I noticed they never mention stripping any wires when using their plugtails. Either way, you gotta strip wires.

No waste pick-up? What about the poly bags? And the boxes the devices come in?

Why do they think wrapping with black tape required w/o plugtails?

As for the side-by-side comparisons, there's stripping involved with both. The 'traditional' method places stripping at the trim, the plugtail at the rough. No savings there.

You can't split-wire a recep.

And who uses a traditional hand screwdriver?

The only advantage I see is plugtails are available in stranded, so that may speed trim up a bit, but may create problems in the front end (during rough) making it up.

 

[cadpoint]

I say just connect the wires to the device. Why introduce another connection to the equation? It would have to be taped up to keep out paint and drywall mud.

I've used them for a few years, the big boss for some reason likes them all alot, they just keep showing up.

The female connector comes in a tight platic jacket with the circuit "pigtails" just still out, mud and paint generally not a problem...

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

And do they come both in same box ? If so that creates extra work.