Maintenance man almost got fried !!!

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Mule

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Oklahoma
Got a call today from a maintenance man that works full time for a client of mine out on a large ranch/museum. He called to ask me some questions reguarding some water pump controls that had not worked in over ten years. He a decent repair man, but not an electrician.

He said he tested a couple of wires with his fluke and the meter smoked in his hands !!......Then he (dummy)lifts a wire off a screw and when he goes to reland it, it arcs across when he get about a 1/4 inch from the screw......Then he tells me that the power companies pole had one fuse hanging down. I told him to thank god for sparing his life....!!!

So I told him to back away from it and NOT to touch it again, that it appeared that there was a short in winding, or some sort of a fault in the transformer bank, and he could be dealing with 7200v or perhaps higher. So I said call poco Now ASAP so they can pull the other two fuses, and also to caution tape the area off untill they get there. He didnt seem to quite get it, so I asked him, do you want me to come out there? (18miles) he said "AH when ever your out here next" duh....So I knew then that he was not putting enough importance on the issue. So I hung up the phone, turned around and called the service center (power company) directly and told them. They sent out a service man, Havent heard the results yet, but Im curious to hear what happened.

So Im assuming these are oil filled transformers, and a 3phase bank....So is it possible to get a primary to secondary fault? Or perhaps a ground fault with one phase blown, and the other phasing drifting or floating?..trying to figure out what could have happened...or I guess a primary stinger might have fallen down across the secondary connections?
 

quogueelectric

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new york
I have seen 2400v fuses tested with a fluke meter that havent turned out so good for the untrained electrician. He is dead now. The arc flash across the 600v meter killed him. He thought it would read out of range. He was wrong.
 

wireguru

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i cant for the life of me find it, but a long time ago there was a guy who entered a mislabeled piece of switchgear and tested something with his wiggy. The gear was labeled 277/480 (i believe) but it was really 4160 or something. The wiggy exploded sending him to the ER with burns and a million slivers of copper from the coil embedded in his body
 

Mule

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Location
Oklahoma
Back in the late 70's, the day I hired on to a petroleum company, the supervisor drove me straight to accident scene where a IBEW electrical contractor was severely burned. They had just set a pad mount transfomer that had a few secondary 480v breakers inside. The electrician used a analog meter (triplet or simpson) to check voltage on the line side of the main breaker. Turns out that the insulation was stripped back too far beyond the bakelite sheilds between the phases on the breaker. So when he landed the leads from the low resistance style analog meter it drew an arc, breaking down the air gap, and it went phase to phase. The rest of the story is real gory, needless to say he never worked again, and spent a couple of years trying to survive. And today, I still find it hard to believe that a low voltage such as 480 broke over like this....amazing.

So the way I understand it, is that when the air gap is broken this way, the copper puts off a gas that is very conductive, hence the breakover...bad news.

So the company told all of the electricians to throw away, or take home their company supplied simpson meters, and they purchase all new "high resistance" digital meters for everyone...I think then they were Beckman's at the time.

So yes Im ALWAYS carefull using a wiggy which IMO should not be used around 480 as it does draw an arc. If you do use it, land the leads fast and firm IMO dont "lazy in" with the leads and give it a chance to arc from the load of the solenoid inside the wiggy.
 
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MikeGee

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Baltimore, MD
Some days I wake and wonder why I am still in this field. I guess you can say I have a fear of electricity. I am not talking about 480 and below (I use my fingers of one hand to test for 208V) Then I hear stories like the ones I have been reading here. Something being mislabeled. This is the reason I am not very willing to try new things within this trade. If I have not done it by now I may never do it.

In the end I am still in this feild because it is the only thing that I am good at to earn money.

This might explain why I am 28 and 1/4 of the hair on my head is gray. I have chin hair that is gray.
 

electricalperson

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Location
massachusetts
a lot of people used to test for voltage with there fingers. i think it was 480sparky that posted pages of an old electricians handbook and that method of voltage testing was an industry standard at the time
 

nolabama

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Location
new orleans la
oh ok i just thought in todays world that would be foolish with cheap non contact testers out there - ive heard tell that their was an inspector in this area that did that with his fingers - i just feel that 208 hurts to much to do that
 

jrannis

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Ive been known to stick my finger in the lamp holder or touch both sides of a receptacle but, I dont know about the 208 thing. That might be worth a trip out to the truck.

I knew a couple of guys from the ABC side of the business that were looking for an underground junction box to repull a feeder. They found one.
Just to veryify that it was what they were looking for, they decided that putting a sheet metal screw through the insulation was the way to go.

BANG! it was 4160! They had to shut down the school while they looked for a cable splicer to bail them out. Suprisingly, they didnt have a lost time injury
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
Ive been known to stick my finger in the lamp holder or touch both sides of a receptacle but, I dont know about the 208 thing. That might be worth a trip out to the truck.

I knew a couple of guys from the ABC side of the business that were looking for an underground junction box to repull a feeder. They found one.
Just to veryify that it was what they were looking for, they decided that putting a sheet metal screw through the insulation was the way to go.

BANG! it was 4160! They had to shut down the school while they looked for a cable splicer to bail them out. Suprisingly, they didnt have a lost time injury

it's not done any longer, but at one time it was common for LADWP
personnel to tap into station power cables in underground substructures
to get power for tools and lights when working, thus saving the need
for running a genset. it was done with a drywall screw, and when the
work was done, screw was removed and cable taped up with scotch 33.

the practice ended when a newbie put a drywall screw into a cable
operating at 34.5 kv.


randy
 

MikeGee

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Location
Baltimore, MD
Why? Too lazy to get your meter or just never trained by anyone who had a clue?


Well lazy to start and the first mechanic I ever worked with in Oct 2008 was 58 years old. The first mechanic he worked with was his father. His father did it so it kinda came down to me.

I dont do it often. Maybe 5 times in 8 years.
 

MikeGee

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Location
Baltimore, MD
i just feel that 208 hurts to much to do that

208 doesnt hurt. At least not me. To me it only hits maybe 15% of my pain tolerence limit.

lol i went beyond putting a 9volt battery on my tongue to putting together the neg. of one 9 volt battery and the pos. of another 9volt then placing the remaining terminals on my tongue. I was making my tongue pulsate.
 

zog

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Location
Charlotte, NC
208 doesnt hurt. At least not me. To me it only hits maybe 15% of my pain tolerence limit.

lol i went beyond putting a 9volt battery on my tongue to putting together the neg. of one 9 volt battery and the pos. of another 9volt then placing the remaining terminals on my tongue. I was making my tongue pulsate.

You are the reason I want to leave this forum sometimes, you are an embarassment to your trade and clueless on the dangers of electricity.
 
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