make up grounds for rough inspections?? Why??

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ok,I am so angry with these drywall contractors using a rotozip tool! Nicks in my wires allthe time.

Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!
 
doc12 said:
ok,I am so angry with these drywall contractors using a rotozip tool! Nicks in my wires allthe time.

Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!
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What about using something like this?

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Comes in a two-device version, and a couple others.
 
i agree that the plate will work. but what a pita to install in an entire new home!!!
still, what right do the inspectors have to demand us to make up the grounds???? i had one inspector fail me on a rough for that. i should not have to do this just because HE wants me to.... Yeah, dont tell me ( just so I can work in that town again)...
 
Conversely, could he otherwise require grounds to be inspected in a far less convenient way at a later inspection? Maybe grounds are really his thing and he's forcing you to give him the most convenient time for you, too.
 
doc12 said:
i agree that the plate will work. but what a pita to install in an entire new home!!!
still, what right do the inspectors have to demand us to make up the grounds???? i had one inspector fail me on a rough for that. i should not have to do this just because HE wants me to.... Yeah, dont tell me ( just so I can work in that town again)...
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At what times are the inspections required? If the next inspection is the final, how is the inspector to know that the EGC's are connected correctly? There are municipalities here that want to see the grounds made up at rough, but they cannot require it. They just require the electrician present at the final to remove all the cover plates and devices and check the ground connections at that time. As you can guess, most contractors just make up the ground at the rough in stage. YMMV in your municipality.
 
doc12 said:
ok,I am so angry with these drywall contractors using a rotozip tool! Nicks in my wires allthe time.

Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!
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1) It sounds like you need to push your conductors to the back of the box. This fixes the problem unless it is a shallow box.

2) The inspector can see the conductor(s) on the rough-in inspection. The inspector can not see the conductors on the final inspection unless the cover plate(s) are removed and the device(s) are left hanging out of the box.

As far as the NEC requirements concerning the make up of grounding conductors as well as other conductors, take a look at
(NEC 2014) 110.14(A), 110.14(B), 250.148(B), 250.148(C), 250.148(D), 300.14, 314.17(B) & 314.17(C) for starters.
 
stevenje said:
.............2) The inspector can see the conductor(s) on the rough-in inspection. The inspector can not see the conductors on the final inspection unless the cover plate(s) are removed and the device(s) are left hanging out of the box. .............
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This. :D
 
doc12 said:
Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!
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Its an electrical rule in Washington for the EGC to be made up, been that way for 40 years.
 
doc12 said:
ok,I am so angry with these drywall contractors using a rotozip tool! Nicks in my wires allthe time.

Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!
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It is expected here. Our inspector doesn't trust us to comply with 250.148, so they want to see the grounds made up and specifically the pigtails required to comply with this.
 
Like others have said, I'd rather do it (always have) during R.I. than have to remove all the devices during the final.

Roger
 
You need to talk to the general contractor and the sheetrock guy and teach him about the depth of his roto zip. Usually we don't have that issue any more since we have been working with excellent rockers....

Key hole saws were the big culprit 30 years ago.

We also make sure our wires are pushed back but there is only so much you can do
 
doc12 said:
Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? [L]et me leave the sheathing on the romex[.]
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There is a way to do what you want. Just ask for a partial rough inspection where he inspects (and approves) everything except the making up of the grounds. Then after the drywall is installed, make up the grounds and ask for a second rough inspection to approve those. I would keep the GC in the loop since it may make the job run longer. You may be required to pay for an additional inspection (depending upon your jurisdiction).

P.S. I just did a remodeling job entirely in MC at the homeowners request. This method would not help for MC or pipe jobs.
 
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Here's an alternate solution. Post this sign where the drywall crew can see it.

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"Danger: Electrical wires are live. Contact with a Rotozip blade may result in death by electrocution."

"Peligro: Los cables eléctricos están en tensión. El contacto con una cuchilla Rotozip puede provocar la muerte por electrocución."

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Coppersmith said:
Here's an alternate solution. Post this sign where the drywall crew can see it.

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"Danger: Electrical wires are live. Contact with a Rotozip blade may result in death by electrocution."

"Peligro: Los cables eléctricos están en tensión. El contacto con una cuchilla Rotozip puede provocar la muerte por electrocución."

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Coppersmith said:
Here's an alternate solution. Post this sign where the drywall crew can see it.

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"Danger: Electrical wires are live. Contact with a Rotozip blade may result in death by electrocution."

"Peligro: Los cables eléctricos están en tensión. El contacto con una cuchilla Rotozip puede provocar la muerte por electrocución."

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You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink....


How many of you that must make up grounds at rough in actually have inspector look at every single box?

If they don't maybe you should tell them you don't feel you are being served properly by them, so what if they have a full schedule for the day, you want every detail looked at, right? And at same time it will give them an opportunity to find things they might have missed otherwise:blink:
 
Dennis Alwon said:
You need to talk to the general contractor and the sheetrock guy and teach him about the depth of his roto zip. Usually we don't have that issue any more since we have been working with excellent rockers....

Key hole saws were the big culprit 30 years ago.

We also make sure our wires are pushed back but there is only so much you can do
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I certainly agree that the sheetrockers should learn to use those roto zips.

Many of us don't work with the same GC or homeowners very often so it's hard to train them.

I normally use deep boxes and push the insulated wires in first and grounds last.

Many people won't believe this but good sheetrockers can measure and cut out the box opening before hanging the sheetrock. It does require they be smart enough to read a tape measure and have a T-square. But we are not living in the age of craftsmanship.
 
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