make up grounds for rough inspections?? Why??

[jsmalone1]

Yes why?

Yes why?

Its an electrical rule in Washington for the EGC to be made up, been that way for 40 years.

With that line of thinking how would he know anything is made up OR even better, HOW everything is terminated which is the problem I see frequently. Our business is so interesting, there is statistically never an answer to most any question.

 

[donselectric]

you are supposed to have all connections made up

ok,I am so angry with these drywall contractors using a rotozip tool! Nicks in my wires allthe time.

Why do the inspectors want to see the grounds made up for the rough inspecton? I see no requirement. I have convinced a few to let me leave the sheathing on the romex for this one reason!

 

[Little Bill]

Make up wires stuff box tight with news paper not only does it kinda keep the wires pushed back but it also keeps mud out of your box.

You do that here and the inspector(s) would suggest another place for you to "stuff" your newspaper!hmy:

 

[kwired]

You do that here and the inspector(s) would suggest another place for you to "stuff" your newspaper!hmy:

They can suggest all they want if that is how someone wants to protect things from the drywallers and painters that is entirely their decision. If one put those hard covers on everything that is a protection method also, and if inspector wants to look at your connections he is welcome to pull any of them off he wishes - but please put them back when you are done looking, or pull the newspaper out it you want to look but put it back when done.

I seldom make up connections before drywall is hung. If I do it is usually something we want to temporarily energize for some reason.

I "S" bend my cables into the box - learned a long time ago that just curling them into box usually means if the rotozip hits it, it will hit in worst possible place leaving conductors short should you cut off the damage portion. "S" bending them usually means that if they get dinged by rotozip, it will be near the end of the cable and if you cut off damaged conductors you usually have quite a bit of length left over. Anybody that wants to pull conductor/cables out of a box to inspect them better put them back the way they found them - or I am going to take a rotozip to that person and show them what damage a rotozip can do.

I placed them the way I did for a reason.

 

[Coppersmith]

Anybody that wants to pull conductor/cables out of a box to inspect them better put them back the way they found them - or I am going to take a rotozip to that person and show them what damage a rotozip can do.

Sioux City Journal
February 28, 2018

Electrical inspector Joe Zampato was attacked today by an electrician with a Roto-zip power tool. Police detective Roger Blevett said that the assailant followed Zampato home, knocked him down, and then carved "Kwired" into his belly. Zampato told officers the electrician was rambling about some wires not being properly folded. The electrician was arrested and taken for a psychological evaluation. His name is not being released at this time. The victim was rushed to St. Luke's Regional Medical Center and is in stable condition.

 

[Coppersmith]

Please note that my previous post is a work of fiction including the names and events.

 

[kwired]

Please note that my previous post is a work of fiction including the names and events.

You sure about that, looks like you just may have some slight misinformation on names or exact locations

If I do that I won't be following him home, it will be done right in front of the box he didn't place wires back into in correct fashion:happyyes:

You don't scold a puppy for pooping on the floor without doing it right at the point the incident happened or he won't know what he is in trouble for.

 

[jwelectric]

on a rough inspection if the grounds are not made up the job is rejected on 250.148. On a rough if there are plates cardboard newspapers or anything else blocking the inspection the job gets rejected until easy inspection can be achieved and I may request that you meet me on site for the next inspection.

If during the inspection I find a violation in a box I leave those conductors hanging out of the box so the installer can locate the box quickly and also know what he was rejected for.

If you are using a crimp type of connection each and every EGC will get a gentle tug to ensure a mechanical connection and the joint must extend at least three inches outside the box

Gentlemen you have to remember you are not the only inspection I do each day. On average I have between 12 to 20 inspections to do each and every day. Now throw in an apartment with 24 plus units and it don't give me very much time to spend on your job. The question now becomes, "do you want your inspection today or sometime next week?"

Having been a contractor for more years than some here are old I try to work with the contractor and give them the respect they deserve but start giving me a hard time and I will follow the letter of the law. I will give you the code section you are in violation of and nothing more. You will have to do as I did and find it by yourself.

 

[kwired]

on a rough inspection if the grounds are not made up the job is rejected on 250.148. On a rough if there are plates cardboard newspapers or anything else blocking the inspection the job gets rejected until easy inspection can be achieved and I may request that you meet me on site for the next inspection.

If during the inspection I find a violation in a box I leave those conductors hanging out of the box so the installer can locate the box quickly and also know what he was rejected for.

If you are using a crimp type of connection each and every EGC will get a gentle tug to ensure a mechanical connection and the joint must extend at least three inches outside the box

Gentlemen you have to remember you are not the only inspection I do each day. On average I have between 12 to 20 inspections to do each and every day. Now throw in an apartment with 24 plus units and it don't give me very much time to spend on your job. The question now becomes, "do you want your inspection today or sometime next week?"

Having been a contractor for more years than some here are old I try to work with the contractor and give them the respect they deserve but start giving me a hard time and I will follow the letter of the law. I will give you the code section you are in violation of and nothing more. You will have to do as I did and find it by yourself.

Also understand they don't require us to make up connections at rough in where I am, so this would be a big change for me if suddenly asked to do so every time. And I have never had an inspector that looks at every single detail possible, they just don't have the time. If you leave questionable things for them then they do look a little harder, and I don't blame them, I would do the same.

Not being in a metro area - I only see limited number of inspectors and get to know each one of them to some degree. They know which contractors they can trust to do the right thing and which ones they maybe need to be more suspicious of. Anybody new to them has a period of time to look a little harder at more of the minor details until they get a feel of what they are like.

 

[sameguy]

The inspector cares if the ground is made up when he can see in the box. The other wires will show up when trim out and energy is applied; opens, shorts, missed wiring, plug in tester lights wrong, at the electricians time not his time. That is what my inspector said years ago, but then he just would stand and talk if I was there, not sure what he did when I wasn't there. This was with more than one inspector and in both resi. and comm. work, good to be trusted.