Manual Transfer Switch.

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So Customer has a little 7400 watt genterator that will be feeding the panel with a https://www.platt.com/platt-electri...iance-Controls/PBN30/product.aspx?zpid=841282 and a interlock for the main and the 2-30 amp breaker.
Does 702.4(B)(1) when it says" user shall be permitted to select the loads connected". Does that mean they can just turn on and off the breakers they Want? or do I have to put all the loads they want through this https://www.platt.com/platt-electri...iance-Controls/R306A/product.aspx?zpid=181526

I was planning on making a List of Breakers that can be turned on and mounting in the panel.
He just wants his well pump 1hp 240Volt and fridge.
I have seen them both ways around here.
Thanks for the help
 
A manual transfer switch is exactly what it says, it is manually controlled by the user and so are the loads it serves. The user can use the Green Acres System.
Roger
 
I remember they had to climb the pole for something - maybe it was the phone.
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In all of the pictures I've seen, she is always holding the butt-set correctly, but he has it upside-down half the time.

I have that butt-set at home, from my late uncle, who did a lot of central office installs for Ma Bell. It's missing the belt clip and has a test-board plug cable instead of clips.
 
I wasn't able to find a picture of the generator involved, but the whole episode is on AmazonPrimeVideo. Pretty amusing.
 
I find myself more and more often drawn to the simplistic humor of this show, and The Andy Griffith Show, Gilligan's Island, etc.

Dumb, yes, but they don't require me to think and that has benefits now. My wife absolutely HATES Green Acres though, because of the way they depict Lisa (Eva Gabor's character).

Growing up, one of the kids in my "gang" had really bad personal hygiene, so we called him Arnold Ziffel (after the smart pig in this show), then later just "Ziff".
 
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So Customer has a little 7400 watt genterator that will be feeding the panel with a https://www.platt.com/platt-electri...iance-Controls/PBN30/product.aspx?zpid=841282 and a interlock for the main and the 2-30 amp breaker.
Does 702.4(B)(1) when it says" user shall be permitted to select the loads connected". Does that mean they can just turn on and off the breakers they Want? or do I have to put all the loads they want through this https://www.platt.com/platt-electri...iance-Controls/R306A/product.aspx?zpid=181526
If you're using an inlet and an interlock kit on the panel why would you need the other panel in your link? As you've mentioned just make a list of CB's to turn on when under generator power and you're good to go.
 
I find myself more and more often drawn to the simplistic humor of this show, and The Andy Griffith Show, Gilligan's Island, etc.
When I was on a trip to Berlin, Germany and turned on my hotel room TV an episode of Green Acres was running, and of course it was dubbed in German which I found amusing. They apparently tried to have someone imitate Mr. Haney's (Pat Buttrum's) peculiar voice but unsurprisingly it just wasn't the same.

A friend of mine who grew up in eastern Iowa said that they had Pat Buttrum making radio advertisements there for agricultural products. :)
 
The HO is permitted to MANAGE the loads connected to the portable generator. That said, I've learned to instruct my interlock kit customers to first start the generator and let it run 5 minutes before transferring loads. Next I have them shut off ALL the branch circuit breakers in the MB panel, then the main and then move the generator CB to the on position. At that point they can move any or all the CB's to the on position ONE AT A TIME. (Except that they cannot run the central AC, electric range. double wall oven or any other large draw loads.) If they hear the generator back down a bit wait a few seconds before switching on another circuit. But, there's always one woman with a 6500 watt unit who asks "But what about my 30A-240V water heater- will I get hot water?" "Can I use just one burner on my electric range to heat up soup?" "What about my 20A-240V well pump - Will I get water ?" My answer - "You'll know when the generator can't handle the load(s) when it craps out"

It seems they are ticked off because they recently had extended power outages. Then they do their research on the Internet and find the cheapest units available and then want you to verify that what they bought will handle the ALL loads in their house as if they bought a 20KW automatic.
 
Actually, it has nothing to do with the "portability" of the generator. It's the lack of an automatic transfer switch. If you have an automatic transfer, the generator has to be able to take the entire load that would be transferred. If you have a manual transfer, then they allow you to manually shed the loads, darlink.
 
Actually, it has nothing to do with the "portability" of the generator. It's the lack of an automatic transfer switch. If you have an automatic transfer, the generator has to be able to take the entire load that would be transferred. If you have a manual transfer, then they allow you to manually shed the loads, darlink.
Unless you add automatic load shedding devices such as Generac's SMM, or one made by PSP Products load management equipment. These are designed to monitor utlity vs generator to shed loads when gen cuts in.
 
Here's the code reference.

702.4(B)(1) Manual Transfer Equipment.
Where manual transfer equipment is used, an optional standby system shall have adequate capacity and rating for the supply of all equipment intended to be operated at one time.
The user of the optional standby system shall be permitted to select the load connected to the system.

Manual transfer equipment is the breaker interlock. Automatic transfer equipment requires that the load be managed automatically 702(B)(2). Manual transfer equipment allows manual load management i.e. flipping breakers.
 
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