They should, but it appears some get through the cracks...
...and sometimes it seems the cracks are quite wide.
Manufacture spec's what does this mean?
- Thread starter Sierrasparky
- Start date
- Status
...and sometimes it seems the cracks are quite wide.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
They should, but it appears some get through the cracks...
...and sometimes it seems the cracks are quite wide.
Seems today it will pass as long as it is written in at least 5 languages - but all they pay attention to is that there is 5 languages, they don't actually read any of them.
JFletcher
Senior Member
- Location
- Williamsburg, VA
No kidding. Did some can lights last week...there were 3 inserts in each. I thought "man, that's wasteful, someone at xxxx is triple stuffing the directions". When I picked them up from the floor, I glanced at them... 6 languages, one per side.
romex jockey
Senior Member
- Location
- Vermont
- Occupation
- electrician
Yeah JF, but have you noticed english isn't on top anymore....? ya gotta dig through it all.....~RJ~
JFletcher
Senior Member
- Location
- Williamsburg, VA
Hadnt noticed. Last time I read the mfg instructions was LED trims, which mentioned nothing about the included gasket not installed. I figured they were for energy code, boss thought wet locations. I put em on anyway since doing it after the fact if required would be a huge pita, especially with an EGC screwed to the cans.
English is usually the front of a booklet. Still freaks me out at first to see a 120pg manual for something simple, only to realize the first 15 pages are English.
readydave8
re member
- Location
- Clarkesville, Georgia
- Occupation
- electrician
and the first 14 of them safety instructions
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
It is UL's position that all instructions from the manufacturer have been evaluated and that is why they insist that all instructions are 110.3(B) instructions.They should, but it appears some get through the cracks...
...and sometimes it seems the cracks are quite wide.
I think a suitable analogy is that while both my right and left hands get instruction from the same brain, neither hand knows what the other is doing.
If all instructions have been evaluated, I am often left wondering what kind of education or knowledge is required of the person(s) doing the evaluating.
I still do not believe that they want someone to fuse a neutral on a ded 120v ckt for a 380w fan:happyno:
I believe this is likely a listed 120v product with instructions that erroneously included a phrase (a misprint from the factory- it happens) common to 240v appliance installation instructions from a manufacturer that makes both 120 and 240 equipment and/or components for such appliances, and UL obviously can't possibly always prevent those types of mistakes.
I'll agree they do not know what they should, and should not be writing instructions for electrical equipment.
UL should be able to prevent those type of mistakes if their listing of the product relegates us to following manufacturer's instructions, especially those that are in direct violation of Code.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
Which makes you wonder what else may have been missed in evaluation.
JFletcher
Senior Member
- Location
- Williamsburg, VA
So, are you still at the job contemplating the instructions?
We need an exception to 110.3(B)
Exception: If instructions violate any other section of this Code, or are written/translated in a manner that renders the directed installation hazardous, said portion(s) of instructions may be ignored at the installer's choice.
I wouldnt be surprised at a fake UL mark.
I'm only half serious about a code change. Im sure 110.3(B) has had numerous attempts for amending, rewording, or exceptions, and been shot down in flames every time.
We need an exception to 110.3(B)
Exception: If instructions violate any other section of this Code, or are written/translated in a manner that renders the directed installation hazardous, said portion(s) of instructions may be ignored at the installer's choice.
I wouldnt be surprised at a fake UL mark.
I'm only half serious about a code change. Im sure 110.3(B) has had numerous attempts for amending, rewording, or exceptions, and been shot down in flames every time.
- Status