MEP coordination

[mcelweec@gmail.com]

I'm coordinating an electrical layout for a high rise building and finding a lot of equipment shown on MEP drawings that don't appear on the electrical floor plans or panel schedule. I'm facing the usual response "you own the drawings" but this is getting ridiculous. Any words of wisdom or a good argument I can put forward. The engineer has the drawings peppered with the usual CYA notes.

 

[cdslotz]

When you say you are coordinating a layout, are you bidding or do you have the job and just now realizing the discrepancies in the drawings?

 

[mcelweec@gmail.com]

Just realizing the discrepancies now.

 

[mgookin]

I'm coordinating an electrical layout for a high rise building and finding a lot of equipment shown on MEP drawings that don't appear on the electrical floor plans or panel schedule. I'm facing the usual response "you own the drawings" but this is getting ridiculous. Any words of wisdom or a good argument I can put forward. The engineer has the drawings peppered with the usual CYA notes.

Are the sheets you have today the same sheets you had when you bid the job?

Or did they give you one set to do your bid and then throw in a dozen more sheets after you got the bid?

 

[Fulthrotl]

I'm coordinating an electrical layout for a high rise building and finding a lot of equipment shown on MEP drawings that don't appear on the electrical floor plans or panel schedule. I'm facing the usual response "you own the drawings" but this is getting ridiculous. Any words of wisdom or a good argument I can put forward. The engineer has the drawings peppered with the usual CYA notes.

you own the bid set. you need to reconcile the differences between what you bid on and what the contract drawings state.

"you own the drawings" is GC bullshit. you are being blustered.

 

[mcelweec@gmail.com]

Basically the EE hasn't been coordinating with the other engineers. The last bulletins sent out didn't reflect some motors and pumps on the electrical drawings. They were looking for a fast turnaround on the revised pricing so I didn't go over the other MEP drawings with a fine tooth comb. Panels are approved without allowances for the additional breakers,no locations are given.
I should know better by now.

 

[cdslotz]

Sorry to hear...and yes the GC could care less. But he will win that argument because he gave you the entire set of bid documents, which you are responsible for every electrical item, whether show on the E-sheets or not.
Just read the CYA notes you mentioned.
It's not unusual for engineers to not coordinate well, especially when they are under pressure to get drawings out to bid.
It's also not unusual for them to release unfinished drawings to bid, and let the subs flush out discrepancies with RFI's and emails.

I always go over every Mechanical schedule, every Plumbing schedule and cross reference the electrical schedules. Of course this is during the bid process, which I will go on record with an RFI.
If I don't get answers through addendum or a clarification email (and sometimes bid day comes and I still have no response) ...then I am in a position to exclude or qualify specific items.
Then it's not on me anymore.
Another thing is, in my proposal letter, I specifically list the dates of drawings I am quoting. A good GC will see right off the bat if I didn't have the most current drawings

Hope it works out for you...