MICROWAVE RECEPTACLE

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whether its duplex or single on a indi-bc, or if a mwbc is used with broken tabs duplex, a "single" receptacle is one and only one receptacle on the yoke. if inspectors says "must be single receptacle" you cant break the tabs off and call it a single.
 
FionaZuppa said:
whether its duplex or single on a indi-bc, or if a mwbc is used with broken tabs duplex, a "single" receptacle is one and only one receptacle on the yoke. if inspectors says "must be single receptacle" you cant break the tabs off and call it a single.
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If inspector is making shirt pocket rules there may be all kinds of things you can't do that others can:happyyes:
 
kwired said:
If inspector is making shirt pocket rules there may be all kinds of things you can't do that others can:happyyes:
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inspector or not, you cant in any way make a duplex receptacle (two singles on one yoke) into a "single receptacle", art-100 says you cannot do that. a "single" is one receptacle on one yoke.
 
FionaZuppa said:
inspector or not, you cant in any way make a duplex receptacle (two singles on one yoke) into a "single receptacle", art-100 says you cannot do that. a "single" is one receptacle on one yoke.
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Don't take me too serious, I'm just having a little fun here.

What about this?



I realize that if you supplied both the receptacle and whatever load the switch operates from the same branch circuit you wouldn't have an individual branch circuit, but is it able to be single receptacle? What if you wired it so the switch controls the receptacle on the same yoke?
 
kwired said:
Don't take me too serious, I'm just having a little fun here.

What about this?



I realize that if you supplied both the receptacle and whatever load the switch operates from the same branch circuit you wouldn't have an individual branch circuit, but is it able to be single receptacle? What if you wired it so the switch controls the receptacle on the same yoke?
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Receptacle.

A receptacle is a contact device installed at the
outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single
receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact
device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or
more contact devices on the same yoke.
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a switch is not a receptacle, one recept on one yoke, must be a single :thumbsup:
 
dmxtothemax said:
if it is suppossed to be a "dedicated circuit"
Why would you need or want a duplex

Just my take
am I missing something ?

:?
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because one util equip can and may need more than a single recept. the code does not restrict indi-bc to a single receptacle. i think better said a indi-bc should be limited to one outlet, and, you install/provide only what is needed by the one util equip, etc. one plug-in micro on a indi-bc, then a duplex is not needed, etc.

i suspect the real intent of indi-bc just didnt get into the code using good clear verbiage.
 
dmxtothemax said:
if it is suppossed to be a "dedicated circuit"
Why would you need or want a duplex

Just my take
am I missing something ?

:?
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How about you are in north central Nebraska and 30 miles or more from nearest hardware store that may not even have a "single receptacle" and it is even further to someplace that will. Breaking off the tabs takes a few seconds, and you may actually not have to come back to finish anything on that job. Driving to the place that may have the receptacle plus return trip may take hours. Is the install that far out of code compliance that your potential liability over this issue is going to be high?
 
kwired said:
How about you are in north central Nebraska and 30 miles or more from nearest hardware store that may not even have a "single receptacle" and it is even further to someplace that will. Breaking off the tabs takes a few seconds, and you may actually not have to come back to finish anything on that job. Driving to the place that may have the receptacle plus return trip may take hours. Is the install that far out of code compliance that your potential liability over this issue is going to be high?
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if thats a real risk then put 10 singles on the truck ? amzon for about $3.
 
Folks for what it's worth I have never bothered to put a microwave on a single receptacle and haven't seen very many installs that did. All of these jobs as far as I know have passed inspection.

Be it a law or a code then how it's enforced by whatever authority does make a difference. I have never seen a microwave install fail inspection because of a duplex receptacle.

The only thing that can happen if someone were to use the other half of a duplex receptacle and overload the circuit is that a breaker would trip.
 
growler said:
Folks for what it's worth I have never bothered to put a microwave on a single receptacle and haven't seen very many installs that did. All of these jobs as far as I know have passed inspection.

Be it a law or a code then how it's enforced by whatever authority does make a difference. I have never seen a microwave install fail inspection because of a duplex receptacle.

The only thing that can happen if someone were to use the other half of a duplex receptacle and overload the circuit is that a breaker would trip.
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I have very seldom used a single receptacle of the 5-15 or 5-20 type myself ever since they took out the exceptions for GFCI if a dedicated outlet was provided for certain items. But even when I did use them I occasionally found on return trips that a three way tap, power strip, etc was plugged into the single receptacle:(
 
iwire said:
I am still waiting for you to tell us the real risk of more than one receptacle on an IBC. :)
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thats a question for a CWP to explain what they meant when "indi-bc" was defined.

one duplex recept on a dedicated "indi-bc" ckt doesnt seem like a risk. having 10 spread around in a garage and claim the ckt is a indi-bc for the rolling drill press does not seem to fit the intent nec has for "indi-bc".

from the actions of inspectors, and from reading nec verbiage, to me the indi-bc is for one outlet, and whatever is at the one outlet is just enough to feed the one util equip. having a duplex where the one util equip has a single cord cap does not make sense.
 
FionaZuppa said:
thats a question for a CWP to explain what they meant when "indi-bc" was defined.

one duplex recept on a dedicated "indi-bc" ckt doesnt seem like a risk. having 10 spread around in a garage and claim the ckt is a indi-bc for the rolling drill press does not seem to fit the intent nec has for "indi-bc".

from the actions of inspectors, and from reading nec verbiage, to me the indi-bc is for one outlet, and whatever is at the one outlet is just enough to feed the one util equip. having a duplex where the one util equip has a single cord cap does not make sense.
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At same time unless it is a critical life safety type of load, what harm is there if the circuit breaker trips because too much load is on the circuit? IMO that is just poor design and shouldn't be a code issue.
 
kwired said:
At same time unless it is a critical life safety type of load, what harm is there if the circuit breaker trips because too much load is on the circuit? IMO that is just poor design and shouldn't be a code issue.
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you argument is mutual, but like others usually say, its not what nec says, and in many cases, we dont actually know what the nec verbiage intent is, thus we must abide by AHJ to decide for us.
 
FionaZuppa said:
you argument is mutual, but like others usually say, its not what nec says, and in many cases, we dont actually know what the nec verbiage intent is, thus we must abide by AHJ to decide for us.
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I am not worried about the rolling drill press in a residential garage unless we know this is a little more then a hobby shop or at least a really serious hobby shop. How many tools can one person use at a time? Maybe something like a dust collector or air compressor kicks on at same time while using other tools but otherwise most others are only used one at a time.
 
kwired said:
I am not worried about the rolling drill press in a residential garage unless we know this is a little more then a hobby shop or at least a really serious hobby shop. How many tools can one person use at a time? Maybe something like a dust collector or air compressor kicks on at same time while using other tools but otherwise most others are only used one at a time.
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isnt that the same general idea with a gp-bc ??
 
FionaZuppa said:
isnt that the same general idea with a gp-bc ??
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yes. Knowing that certain items will have unique enough demand to justify extra circuits is a design decision not a code requirement. Cord and plug appliances that are fastened in place get more scrutiny from NEC though.
 
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