Moderators, linking to this site?

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hockeyoligist2

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On another forum that I frequent, questions about grounding/bonding have came up by homeowners. They are concerned about how well their homes are grounded, mostly for water pipes, cable, antennas, and LIGHTNING! They aren't going to hire someone to just check this stuff out. Would it be OK to link to this site and let them read what professionals think? I think they may realize how bad improper grounding and bonding is and maybe they will hire a pro? Or at least check to see what they have?
 
Im not a moderator but I stayed at a Holiday Express last night.... I think the last thing we need on here is to invite a bunch of people to go fishing for DIY advice.
 
ultramegabob said:
Im not a moderator but I stayed at a Holiday Express last night.... I think the last thing we need on here is to invite a bunch of people to go fishing for DIY advice.
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There is nothing stopping them right now from lurking.
 
Here is what the forum rules say:

Installers, contractors and electricians are to comply with local laws and ordinances, including permits and inspections where required. This forum is for Contractors, Electricians, Engineers, Inspectors, Instructors and other electrically related individuals.
Do-it-yourselfers
This is not a site for do-it-yourselfers.
This Forum is intended to assist professional electricians, inspectors, engineers, and other members of the electrical industry in the performance of their job-related tasks. However, if you are not an electrician or an electrical contractor, then we are not permitted to help you perform your own electrical installation work.
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Certainly given the fact that this forum is in the public domain and accessible to anyone with a computer and an Internet connection you can direct them here. They are free to carefully peruse the topics that interest them. However those who fall outside of the forum scope posted above will not be permitted to ask DIY questions.

The best thing that they can do is gather information and use that to hire an electrical professional.
 
ultramegabob said:
nothing is stopping anyone, but why invite people who have no intensions to hire professionals?
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I agree but anyone doing a search on electrical questions will bring you to Mike holts site. That's how I found it. :D
 
hockeyoligist2 said:
Would it be OK to link to this site and let them read what professionals think?
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I would prefer that that not happen. There would be nothing for the membership of this forum to gain, and it would bring Mike one rung higher on the ?liability ladder.?

We once considered including, in our replies to DIYs, a list of available DIY Internet sites. But we decided against doing so, for liability reasons. It is the same concern here. No matter what may be the probable outcome of a lawsuit, no matter how stupid a DIY installation may have been and how obvious were the DIY?s safety violations, Mike simply does not want to have to answer the accusation, ?My client received advice from the professionals on your forum, professionals who clearly should have recognized the dangers, but who decided to ignore the dangers and disregard my client?s safety, and who withheld the information that would have prevented the tragedy that my client has suffered as a result.?

If a member of this forum invites a DIY to visit this site, then the courts may decide it was up to us to give the DIY whatever information was needed, to protect the DIY?s safety. Sure, they can find this forum on their own. If they do, and if they start looking around, they may find something that they will use during their project. But if nobody on this site told them to look for ?good information? here, then nobody can accuse us of misleading the DIY.
 
infinity said:
...Do-it-yourselfers
This is not a site for do-it-yourselfers. This Forum is intended to assist professional electricians, inspectors, engineers, and other members of the electrical industry in the performance of their job-related tasks. However, if you are not an electrician or an electrical contractor, then we are not permitted to help you perform your own electrical installation work. ...

However those who fall outside of the forum scope posted above will not be permitted to ask DIY questions. ...
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I absolutely agree that MH gets to direct this site to be run the way he wishes - it's his money. I absolutely agree that the moderators may tell us anything they wish about what they say MH desires. I want to be clear on these issues.

With that being said, I find it rather ironic and quite humorous that there is all this great hue and cry over the DYI electrical homeowner and so great acceptance over DIY engineering - yes that is exactly what some electricians and contractors on this site are doing.

Mind you, I'm not against the DYI engineering. But, I'm also not against DYI homeowners.

I just think it is funny that one is so terrible and the other is so right.

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Cold Fusion said:
I find it rather ironic and quite humorous that there is all this great hue and cry over the DYI electrical homeowner and so great acceptance over DIY engineering - yes that is exactly what some electricians and contractors on this site are doing.
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I dont care if homeowners do thier own electrical work, I just dont want to help them, Im in this business to make money, and giving free advice away to the masses doesnt put food on my table.
 
hockeyoligist2 said:
On another forum that I frequent, questions about grounding/bonding have came up by homeowners. They are concerned about how well their homes are grounded, mostly for water pipes, cable, antennas, and LIGHTNING! They aren't going to hire someone to just check this stuff out. Would it be OK to link to this site and let them read what professionals think? I think they may realize how bad improper grounding and bonding is and maybe they will hire a pro? Or at least check to see what they have?
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If it is ECN please dont
 
ultramegabob said:
I dont care if homeowners do thier own electrical work, I just dont want to help them, Im in this business to make money, and giving free advice away to the masses doesnt put food on my table.
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Well said!:)
 
iaov said:
Originally Posted by ultramegabob
I dont care if homeowners do thier own electrical work, I just dont want to help them, Im in this business to make money, and giving free advice away to the masses doesnt put food on my table.
Well said!:)
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Hummm ... I agree that for you to give away free advice doesn't benefit you. So, is it okay for you to solicit help for your DYI engineering?:roll:

I'm not for or against either one. They (DYI homeowner - DYI engineer) both look the same to me.

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Cold Fusion said:
Hummm ... I agree that for you to give away free advice doesn't benefit you. So, is it okay for you to solicit help for your DYI engineering?:roll:

I'm not for or against either one. They (DYI homeowner - DYI engineer) both look the same to me.

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Help me out here, where is this DIY engineering you're talking about?

Roger
 
For my two cents. For the most part this forum works fine like it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it. HO's might lurk but that is enough for me. I have nothing against DIYers but don't try posting at home. Well you get my drift,
 
roger said:
Help me out here, where is this DIY engineering you're talking about?

Roger
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I'll look around and see what I can find. But I agree with Brian:
(cut) For the most part this forum works fine like it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it. (cut) I have nothing against DIYers but don't try posting at home. (cut)
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Moderators, linking to this site?

I vote is no, but we can't stop them. But we can be cautious and protect what we have with our good moderators looking out after us.
I prefer to keep this site like it is, we have already grown allot since I joined a few years ago.
Now it feels like a group of friends getting together helping, sharing and leaning about common questions about our trade and sometimes sharing funny sayings and at times subjects that don't mean anything but its our group that Mike and people like I-wire, Dennis, Marc, and all of you that have been here for years with over one thousand post have created for us and I don't like change.
No matter where we are from we all get along.
It almost is like having our own "Cheers" pub after a hard days work.
Well you got a penny for my thoughts
Semper Fi Buddy
 
The very nature of our trade and licensing requirements places us as people that use the NEC to design our installations.
Professional Engineering is not the same animal.
We are not DIY engineers!!
I suspect an engineer would not call himself an electrician!
 
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