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cowboyjwc said:
Let me think. The NEC is a state law and the Energy Code is a state law, I have never been audited by the NFPA, but I have been audited by the California Energy Commission. I think I will continue to have them foam the holes.
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I don't recall saying that the holes shouldn't be filled with foam as it's clearly required.

But how do you also comply with the NEC? Rather than one large hole, multiple holes should have been made. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
cowboyjwc said:
Let me think. The NEC is a state law and the Energy Code is a state law, I have never been audited by the NFPA, but I have been audited by the California Energy Commission. I think I will continue to have them foam the holes.
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Has nothing to do with foaming the holes, just the amount of wires in the holes...
 
Well I will agree with that and taping them all together isn't a very good idea either.:smile:

We just call that seismic straping here in CA.:grin:
 
cowboyjwc said:
Well I will agree with that and taping them all together isn't a very good idea either.:smile:

We just call that seismic straping here in CA.:grin:
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I don't know if you saw the other thread but I took these in a coastal town about 3 hours south of you. As I mentioned before I have been vacationing in that area for about the past 10 years (and of course taking pictures :D )and the work shown in the pictures I posted is the norm and not the exception.
 
peter d said:
I don't know if you saw the other thread but I took these in a coastal town about 3 hours south of you. As I mentioned before I have been vacationing in that area for about the past 10 years (and of course taking pictures :D )and the work shown in the pictures I posted is the norm and not the exception.
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I will agree with that too. Usually there is just a 2" 2 screw romex connector on the top.:D

I've mentioned it before that you can tell that we're all from different places. Some of the things that are done back east would never fly out here.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I will agree with that too. Usually there is just a 2" 2 screw romex connector on the top.:D

I've mentioned it before that you can tell that we're all from different places. Some of the things that are done back east would never fly out here.
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Go figure, at least no code violations on the east side... :grin:
 
you're just plain wrong

you're just plain wrong

I was hoping the title of my post made the statement into a question. The idea of this was in a residential wiring book by Ray C. Mullin.

If it's true, and no copper was exposed, I'd say it increased the capacitance between conductors, and so the reactive current to ground. Plastic staples shouldn't increase the capacitance as much.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I've mentioned it before that you can tell that we're all from different places. Some of the things that are done back east would never fly out here.
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While I have your attention, why don't inspectors pick up on this stuff out your way? I will say that the area I took these in has experienced unbelievable growth in the last decade, and I would imagine that inspectors can't keep up with the pace of homebuilding going on.
 
Lxnxjxhx said:
I was hoping the title of my post made the statement into a question. The idea of this was in a residential wiring book by Ray C. Mullin.
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I'm not surprised to learn where you came up with that idea now since I learn where it came from. Is that the same book that shows violations in pictorial form as recommended installation procedures?
 
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violations in pictorial form

violations in pictorial form

Can you recommend a residential wiring book by someone other than Mr. Mullin?
 
Lxnxjxhx said:
Can you recommend a residential wiring book by someone other than Mr. Mullin?
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No. In fact, that would be the one I'd recommend. I just wouldn't take his personal commentary and personal wiring "style" too seriously.
 
Firestop

Firestop

ultramegabob said:
Its pretty standard practice for new home construction in Indiana also, I think certain loans require it. I have seen them use expanding foam, and the red firestop stuff also.
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I find this to be pretty interesting, since I would have considered the foam to be an improper use as it has no fire rating (except for one I believe). I would have assumed that your building codes would require a rated intumescesnt ot endothermic firestop. I guess it is better to burn the house down than have a drafty home.
 
DUCKMAN said:
I find this to be pretty interesting, since I would have considered the foam to be an improper use as it has no fire rating (except for one I believe). I would have assumed that your building codes would require a rated intumescesnt ot endothermic firestop. I guess it is better to burn the house down than have a drafty home.
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Believe it or not, houses are made out of wood, no firestop in the world is going to save it... :wink:
 
stickboy1375 said:
Believe it or not, houses are made out of wood, no firestop in the world is going to save it... :wink:
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I have no problem with the insulating foam for exactly that - insulating. But I agree that firestopping in a dwelling is pretty pointless.
 
peter d said:
I have no problem with the insulating foam for exactly that - insulating. But I agree that firestopping in a dwelling is pretty pointless.
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I give it 15 mins top, just MAYBE enough time to get out and hopefully depending where you live, the volunteer fire dept. time to get out of bed and put it out... Sprinklers save lives and hopefully someday we can all have them.
 
480sparky said:
Even in multi-family dwellings?
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Think about it, That fire block the carpenter installs is good for what 15 mins max? Even if fire stop is rated more than 15 mins its a lost cause...

I'm all for saving lives, just that all I can picture is a burned down house with little pink balls on the ground.
 
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