Motor Disconnects within Sight

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Had a motor moving project and wanted to get others opinions on the 'definition of impracticable' and industrial installations.

This is a 'mech' room where all the machinery and etc is at. there were 3 motors and 3 discos (sp switch) grouped together and one motor was moved and is now out of site of the disco (even though the others are out of site (cant see it) in my opinion as well even though its still within 50ft) .

I simply installed a 'perminate' means of locking out the disco switch and left the switch in its location.

My question is this in

1) your interpertation of this article, would this 'mech room' be considered an industrial type installation since only the maintenance personel would be allowed in there and this is where all the heavy machinery and motors are and 2) whats your understanding of 'impracticable' ??
 
brother said:
whats your understanding of 'impracticable' ??
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Impracticable means 'not possible'.

im?prac?ti?ca?ble (m-prkt-k-bl)
adj.
1. Impossible to do or carry out: Refloating the sunken ship intact proved impracticable because of its fragility.
2. Unfit for passage: roads impracticable in winter.
3. Archaic Unmanageable; intractable.
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It is different then impractical which would just be difficult.

im?prac?ti?cal (m-prkt-kl)
adj.
1. Unwise to implement or maintain in practice: Refloating the sunken ship proved impractical because of the great expense.
2. Incapable of dealing efficiently with practical matters, especially finances.
3. Not a part of experience, fact, or practice; theoretical.
4. Impracticable. See Usage Note at impracticable.
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iwire said:
Impracticable means 'not possible'.



It is different then impractical which would just be difficult.
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Ok, thanks mr. Webster. lol so what about the 2nd part of my question, for 'industral installations',

brother said:
your interpertation of this article, would this 'mech room' be considered an industrial type installation since only the maintenance personel would be allowed in there and this is where all the heavy machinery and motors are
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brother said:
Ok, thanks mr. Webster. lol
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Well many people want to read that section like this.

'If its a PITA I do not have to do it' :D


brother said:
so what about the 2nd part of my question, for 'industral installations',
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Only the AHJ can answer that one.

My opinion is you do not work in an industrial building, you work in a Hospital.
 
iwire said:
My opinion is you do not work in an industrial building, you work in a Hospital.
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Just saves drive time. :grin:

If the motor is the type that needs to be shut down quickly ( like a saw ) then the disconnect should be right there at the motor. On the other hand if it is a sump pump 12' down in a hole, whats wrong with a lockout across the room ?
 
Why is there any variable of lock out tag out, if its not in the line of sight, things need to be in place!
 
brother said:
this equipment maybe was installed before this was required. I always thought it was always required even before i came in the trade. But these other motors will have a perminant installed lockout device on the disco's.
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Well good, what are we talking about ?
What ever version of modern day Code cycle your under, Lock-out tag out is required, modern day it's Osha, Local AHJ, Your Building Code and then the NEC, I can think back 2 code cycles. My response is based on old history of this application being required period, not to some location, or qualified by the individualuals that might be using it or servicing it...
 
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