Multiwire branch circiuts

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I guess what Roger means is that the earth has taken about all it can, and still be willing to let us live here.:smile:
 
cschmid said:
I do care about the environment maybe more than what has been displayed..

I do understand you arguments and I do agree to a point..But safety does come at a price and with MWBC this price is still changing..

I am not worried about janitor wanna be electricains..it is the good maintenance employees who decide they can move the light fixture and go to J-box open it up add a piece of conduit and box and fixture they have no clue about MWBC..I don't agree but it happens all the time..
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As long as they hook up the light to one red wire and one white wire how have they hurt anything?
 
cschmid said:
Did I say Electrician..I said maintenace person..
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Well, whether it's a "good" maintenance person, a doctor, an engineer, an astronomer, an accountant, or what have you, if they aren't qualified they shouldn't have their paws where they don't belong, and if they do, they may just have to suffer the consequences.


Roger
 
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realolman said:
I guess what Roger means is that the earth has taken about all it can, and still be willing to let us live here.:smile:
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I guess,.. but we are not doing to bad and we are expected to do even better ,...even though eath is about to nix us
http://www.who.int/whr/1998/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html

In The World Health Report 1998: Life in the 21st century a vision for all, W.H.O. says global life expectancy at birth, now 66 years, is projected to reach 73 years by 2025. Many thousands of people born at the end of the 20th century will live throughout the 21st and see the advent of the 22nd century. For example, France is projected to have 150 000 centenarians by the year 2050, compared to only 200 in 1950.
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roger said:
Well, whether it's a "good" maintenance person, a doctor, an engineer, an astronomer, an accountant, or what have you, if they aren't qualified they shouldn't have their paws where they don't belong, and if they do, they may just have to suffer the consequences.


Roger
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I really do agree with you here..

We do not do business with maintenance men..We do business with their bosses and We really do enjoy doing business with them..We install it and go back and fix it when it is necessary..We do hate it when my employers (customers) lose money because they are trying to save money by having there maintenance men do what their supervisors feel is right..Now when I can foresee a problem and wire to handle the problem..Our customers (employers) like that and We get repeat business..I believe that is bottom line for us..cash flow

I read allot on here about get it in and get it done..Like there is an endless supply of customers..In our economy there is a finite supply of customers and it is not growing..So If by not using MWBC will make it safer for our customers employees I will do it..
 
By the way Rodger and everyone I am enjoying our conversation here..I hope your blood pressures are not to high over it as I do not mean to raise your blood pressure just stimulate conversation..
 
cschmid said:
By the way Rodger and everyone I am enjoying our conversation here..I hope your blood pressures are not to high over it as I do not mean to raise your blood pressure just stimulate conversation..
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Not at all, it is only a discussion.

Roger
 
cschmid said:
So If by not using MWBC will make it safer for our customers employees I will do it..
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But if you pull a grounded conductor for every circuit, and avoid MWBCs, then your bid is going to be higher than the the EC who uses them. Then you don't get the job.

If it is a T&M job, then by all means use single neutrals and even #10 on 20 amps circuits and gold plate everything... as long as you don't tick off the customer with the high prices and he runs you off and uses Ned Electrishun from then on.
 
M. D. said:
I guess,.. but we are not doing to bad and we are expected to do even better ,...even though eath is about to nix us
http://www.who.int/whr/1998/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html
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I heard recently that if you disregard infant mortality, which is definately much improved, that the life expectancy isn't much better than it ever was.

I'm not saying we aren't going to live longer, I'm just saying we're going to freeze, starve, not be able to breathe, and probably squander what we have left killing each other.

I hope it doesn't get that bad. .. Wait a minute... it already is that bad.:D


The earth probably will heal up. Nature does some pretty nice work with some pretty ugly scars that man puts on her. The question is: will we be here to see it?

The earth doesn't need us. It's we who need the earth.
 
Not really. I was just playing to the "These scummy low-life under-bidder minimum-installation trunk-slammers are underbidding all my jobs" crowd.

If you have good customers who don't mind paying for a some extra wire, then more power to you!:smile:
 
cschmid said:
Just so we are on on the same page..If we had a way to regulate qualified employees and only by licensed personal..I believe the MWBC has lots of benefits..
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Qualified - yes.

Regulated and licensed are something entirely different, and are only somewhat related to to "qualified".
 
cschmid said:
so anyway how did you break into the training business..what is your clientele..
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Labor-Management cooperative apprenticeship program. Take 'em from green newbie to JW. Went through the program myself, from square one, apprentice - JW, moved my way up through a good attitude and hard work.
 
Identifying neutrals

Identifying neutrals

I've been involved with a project that required that each neutral be identified with a strip according to phase and voltage. The engineer's reasoning was that he couldn't trust the the dedicated neutrals would be kept separate throughout the run. Has anyone else seen this? And what will keep someone from bringing out the "big blue wirenut" in a j-box?
 
sharvey said:
And what will keep someone from bringing out the "big blue wirenut" in a j-box?
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Nothing. Well, except training and common sense. These might be in short supply with some people, such as maintenance persons.

I would say, "welcome to the forum", but I see you have been here a while. :cool:
How about, "Happy 1st post"? :D
 
In reference to cost, its not just the added wire but also conduit. Alot more homeruns will have to be added due to fill. Thus, for you environmental guys, more natural resources being used up to protect the unknowledgable from themselves when they shouldn't have their hands in the cookie jar anyway. As its already been said though, thats a sad reality today.
 
pike said:
In reference to cost, its not just the added wire but also conduit. Alot more homeruns will have to be added due to fill. Thus, for you environmental guys, more natural resources being used up to protect the unknowledgable from themselves when they shouldn't have their hands in the cookie jar anyway. As its already been said though, thats a sad reality today.
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How very true..the more we try and make it idiot proof..the path just leads us to a whole new batch of idiots..
 
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