My Journeyman keeps messing up

[Hv&Lv]

You know this guy has a license as an inspector in Washington also I thought Washington was hard to get tested

Goes back to what I always say..

Those that can’t do, inspect.

Most inspectors I’ve dealt with you can tell they never really excelled in electrical work.

I had to call a county inspector one time because he passed a meter base change with the load wires at the top connections of the base.
I realize this isn’t a code issue but come on man..

 

[kwired]

Just had one customer yell at me today that he took too long. I took an hour off and they still were complaining though. I think she was just a mean person

You probably could have billed her for 2 hours when it took your guy 8 hours and she still would have wanted you to charge for materials only, or even not bill her at all.

 

[kwired]

slow is one thing I can ignore that- but forgetting bond screws- landing wire in the t-1 instead of l-1- not knowing we’re gfci goes- I got to find the right job for him or he going to have to be let go- I can’t afford it lol

Those items you mentioned tend to apply to both residential and commercial/industrial so hard to use that excuse.

 

[ramsy]

hard to use that excuse.

I hired a brand new Green apprentice too, so I gotta train him

Everything should be back to normal now, since Journeyman adapt to dictators by throwing the apprentice under the bus.

 

[AC\DC]

You probably could have billed her for 2 hours when it took your guy 8 hours and she still would have wanted you to charge for materials only, or even not bill her at all.

For this lady yes- I told her she does not need to pay I just want her happy- she hung up right after that

 

[AC\DC]

Everything should be back to normal now, since Journeyman adapt to dictators by throwing the apprentice under the bus.

Ya but I am stopping that- the apprentice is in the shop getting my store ready- he only needed when needed- don’t need 2 guys for changing a dimmer out-

 

[letgomywago]

OK, I’ll have to dive more into that. I still don’t understand that.

You have them sit down. Have a written expectation in front of them, minimum time to accomplish each item such as time management ect... it protects you if you lay him off from unemployment claims. Have set items from when he was hired as to what you expect from a journeyman. If he feels that keeping the job and not meeting certain items then a reduction in pay is needed and have that also that may cause him to look elsewhere.

Set up a trainer test for 10 things and make him write a materials list and what he'd do.

Test him on GFI for water fountain, pools, and kitchens. he might just not know about how the single receptacle dedicated circuit exception works here.

Hand him a torque wrench and screw driver and see if he knows how to set then.

Have him do an incident current calc

Give him a old school t8 with 4 bulb balast and hand him 2 2 bulb blasts and see if he knows how to rewire it.

 

[kwired]

For this lady yes- I told her she does not need to pay I just want her happy- she hung up right after that

I once had one "those types" that are always wanting everything for little or nothing though from what I know they actually are fairly wealthy.

They had this rental house that needed old fuse box upgraded to circuit breaker panel. Of course they wanted as cheap as possible. I told them up front I would be running some EMT on the surface in a certain area because that would take a lot less labor to install than trying to conceal cables.

I could not get them to pay me afterwards. One time when I confronted the owner he complained about how I ran that conduit on the surface instead of concealing the wiring, and was really p***y about it. I never did get paid and even though it was like 20 years ago I still will refuse to do any work for this person. FWIW most the village and surrounding towns where they are have issues with these people so I don't feel too bad about it.

 

[AC\DC]

i’m getting burned out of people I feel like I should just sell and go Raise and raise cattle in the woods. I can at least smack a cow.

 

[Little Bill]

i’m getting burned out of people I feel like I should just sell and go Raise and raise cattle in the woods. I can at least smack a cow.

You don't smack cows, you tip them!

 

[Hv&Lv]

i’m getting burned out on people

Hear, hear!

Me too

 

[ramsy]

i’m getting burned out of people

The mouth stops with tool in hand, or taking ownership of the team plan.

 

[AC\DC]

? Okay- mouth flaps regardless of how tired someone is- and trying to fiqure out if someone worth it is hard- firing people is hard.

 

[Strathead]

OK, maybe I can get kicked off this Forum. Here goes!

Knowing the NEC has nothing to do with understanding electrical circuits. Give a me a guy that can truly understand the concepts of Ohm's law and apply those concepts to understanding electrical circuits, and we're halfway there. The other half is about showing up on time and being ready to work!

I agree, with your statement, but would add that understanding Ohm's law and being able to search and properly interpret the NEC is the other mandatory skill. Not KNOWING the NEC, but able to use.