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360Youth

360Youth

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I am on of those houses that is starting to take its toll. I have shared a few posts regarding this one, but it is next to no real set of plans or idea what the next phase of the project is until the individual subs are working on their designated portions. Anyway, right before I leave today I am taking a look at my cabinet lighting wires (I had to pre-wire for lights with no idea what was going to be installed :rolleyes:) and found that the mirror guys wedged one of my wires to the point that there is no play or adjustment. After a little bit of stewing the end result is that we just have to make it work, but the gut reaction is to make then remove the glued in place mirror because they can't look out for another subs work.

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Would you deal with it and move on or make somebody own up to it. It would probably not have agrivated me so bad if I had not just spent 45 minutes moving a wine cooler recept because I was off by about 6" on my layout but the cabinet guy decided to put his cabinet and drawers in instead of letting me know and spend about 20 minutes moving it. (In what world does it make sense to have an undercounter recept behind a full set of drawers right next to an appliance opening with no recept? :confused:) I know I have my moments from time to time, so I try and let it go for those reasons also, but it becomes very tiresome. I am sure we can all recall our wires found twisted, used as supports/tyoffs, stomped on, rotozipped, etc.
 
byourdesky

byourdesky

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I'd be worried that the insulation is damaged and have them remove it just for that.....then you can have a little bit of vendiction but not seem like a jerk too :D
 
electricmanscott

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Unfortunately this is typical and there is not a whole lot you can do. :rolleyes:

That does look pretty well wedged in there and I'd probably have them remove the mirror to free up the wire. That might prevent them from doing it again but that's probably just wishfull thinking.

What kind of light is going in there?

As for the receptacle, I would have left it right where it was and drilled a hole in the cabinet for the cord to pass through.
 
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mxslick

mxslick

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I would make the mirror guys come back and remove that mirror..as it is very likely that the romex has been damaged and is probably shorted.

I would bring this to the GC's attention, give them 24 hrs. to take that mirror down..after that, I would have that mirror meet with an unfortunate "accident" with say a hammer.....:roll:
 
George Stolz

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How on earth would you "deal with it"? :-?

I'd want to see that my cable wasn't damaged by the ignorant mirror installer. I'd use that as my reason to make the guy take it down on his dime.
 
LarryFine

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360Youth said:
I had to pre-wire for lights with no idea what was going to be installed :rolleyes:
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"Aye, and there's the rub!" :mad: PPP!

I make sure I know the exact height of everything, explain why I need to know, and demand that it be determined. I make sure I know both the cabinet height and skirt depth.

With those flat-bottom cabinets and full-height backsplash, where did they expect the cables to emerge from the wall? Your only option would have been inside the cabinet.
 
360Youth

360Youth

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Newport, NC
George Stolz said:
How on earth would you "deal with it"? :-?

I'd want to see that my cable wasn't damaged by the ignorant mirror installer. I'd use that as my reason to make the guy take it down on his dime.
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With a gentle touch I might be able to cut the cabinet out around the wire enough to free up the wire. I want to make them take the mirror down just because, but is the end result is probably a busted mirror and I do not not that I am the type to go to that extenet if the wire can be freed up another way. The wire is significantly pinched, though, and I do not see leaving as is. The problem with nothching around the wire is that if it gets cut there is a much bigger problem.
 
360Youth

360Youth

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LarryFine said:
"Aye, and there's the rub!" :mad: PPP!

I make sure I know the exact height of everything, explain why I need to know, and demand that it be determined. I make sure I know both the cabinet height and skirt depth.
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The are a whole of people on this job that would like to know those kind of details ahead of time.

Edit to add: Here is my first posted topic from this job. My first demand did not go over to well (although I got what I asked for, in more ways than one, I guess. :smile: )

LarryFine said:
With those flat-bottom cabinets and full-height backsplash, where did they expect the cables to emerge from the wall? Your only option would have been inside the cabinet.
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Some of the cabinets have flat bottoms and come have false bottom with the more user-friendly cavity. This, of course, is one of the flat bottom ones. :roll:
 
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AZ
I have always been that guy who looks at the entire job, not just my portion. Unfortunately there are not many of us out there. In my opinion, tradesmen are idiots most of the time.


You just have to deal with it cause it aint gonna change.........ever.
 
360Youth

360Youth

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Newport, NC
LarryFine said:
Not I. That just might make them want you to replace the mirror. I wouldn't touch it. Let him do the cutting.
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I never do any such work without letting the job foreman know. Sometimes he tells me to go ahead and we will deal with what happens and sometimes he wants to leave it to the "professionals."
 
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ike5547

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Chico, CA
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360Youth said:
With a gentle touch I might be able to cut the cabinet out around the wire enough to free up the wire.
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I would do it for $250 an hour, or some other rate you feel comfortable with. Otherwise they'll have to remove that mirror. There's too much liability involved if you bust it.
 
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alfiesauce

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LarryFine said:
"Aye, and there's the rub!" :mad: PPP!

I make sure I know the exact height of everything, explain why I need to know, and demand that it be determined. I make sure I know both the cabinet height and skirt depth.
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LOL!
Man... What a dream world you live in...

We deal with this kind of crap on a daily basis.
Without knowing what kind of fixture you are putting in it's kinda hard to know what your options are....
But.. I'll take a stab-
Take a small bit and a small chisle and taking out a bit of the cabinet by the wire to get that pinching action out of the loop...
If you are using a fixture like a counter attack or something where you come into the back of the fixture- take a piece of plastic hubble wiremold and run it the width of the fixture.
Step bit a hole into the mold where the wire is and then through the side of the mold where you need to enter the fixutre.
This provides the space, the proper height, and the flexibility you where supposed to have with wall cavity.
If you make the piece of wiremold the same width as the fixture then it might look like it was supposed to be there.
Use plastic so you don't have to worry about bonding issues.

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to answer the question...
If this is a new GC you are dealing with tell him what you are dealing with and try to back charge if you want... If this is a company whome you work for a lot, explain what you are dealing with but don't back charge if you want to keep the relationship going.
 
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