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[iwire]

Well I guess If everybody played by the rules he would have been paid. Seems to me like the customer threw down the gauntlet and Fulthrotl picked it up.

Who carries a gauntlet in 2008?

For better or worse we do not live in the middle ages and unfortunately Fulthrotl could end up with criminal charges. I am not saying that is right, I am only saying that not getting paid is bad ....... having to go to court and face charges yourself will be worse.

 

[iaov]

I would have gone there every day without fail and hung around waiting and watching, looking for my pay.

I would have gone with you!!

 

[Fulthrotl]

Who carries a gauntlet in 2008?

For better or worse we do not live in the middle ages and unfortunately Fulthrotl could end up with criminal charges. I am not saying that is right, I am only saying that not getting paid is bad ....... having to go to court and face charges yourself will be worse.

quite true.... however, in some arenas of human endeavor, the participants
don't look at police, courts, and laws as solutions to a problem.

i feel the deadbeat in question was a member of one or more of those
arenas.

this occurred in 1995, and gauntlets were still in widespread use at that
time, at least on the west coast.

the fine fellow in question was the one who explained to me how to
cash a check made payable to "cash", as a bearer bond, without either
identification, or endorsement, and the appropriate sections of the
united states code to quote to the bank's operations officer to effect
that transaction.

he talked like a farmer with terminal cancer, trying to borrow money on
next years crop. eyes with a forty candlepower glow from all the cocaine
he was snorting, and a perpetually stuffy nose.

this is not a member of the community likely to call the police because
he didn't pay his bill. ....

observing business and professional standards still didn't alter the fact
that i had a reciept for *MY* wire and breaker, and he didn't have a .
reciept or cancelled check for *anything*.

 

[hardworkingstiff]

this occurred in 1995, and gauntlets were still in widespread use at that
time, at least on the west coast.

Well, ..... did you ever get paid? :smile:

 

[kbsparky]

....Movie theatres, both independant and large chains, are notorious for slow or non-payment.

We do a lot of service work for the old Hoyts (now REGAL) theaters here, and have not had any problems getting paid in a timely manner. Of course, we have a good working relationship with the manager here, and that helps immensely. :smile:

 

[mxslick]

We do a lot of service work for the old Hoyts (now REGAL) theaters here, and have not had any problems getting paid in a timely manner. Of course, we have a good working relationship with the manager here, and that helps immensely. :smile:

Indeed, if the manager and I had good rapport, it was usually no big deal getting paid. But sometimes even despite that "corporate" was the problem.

Sadly, most theatres spend a lot more money and attention on lobby decor than maintaining the projection equipment.

 

[jrannis]

Who carries a gauntlet in 2008?

For better or worse we do not live in the middle ages and unfortunately Fulthrotl could end up with criminal charges. I am not saying that is right, I am only saying that not getting paid is bad ....... having to go to court and face charges yourself will be worse.

Please dont tell be that the gauntlet isnt in the new 2008 :grin:

 

[jrannis]

Who carries a gauntlet in 2008?

For better or worse we do not live in the middle ages and unfortunately Fulthrotl could end up with criminal charges. I am not saying that is right, I am only saying that not getting paid is bad ....... having to go to court and face charges yourself will be worse.

Bob,
I think he just knew how to speak the language that this customer understood. I could see someone responding to that kind of tactic very well.
But, it is a bluff, and is a very risky thing to do.
Getting paid would have been best.
Some customers would call a lawyer, some would just pay to have someone else come out and replace what was missing, maybe even stiff the next guy.
Most likely been doing that all of his low life.
I'm sure more than one transformer has been taken out with a 30-06

 

[iwire]

I get it now, you get to decide when breaking the law makes someone a low life and when it makes them a hero.:roll:

 

[ramsy]

prevaricate

Verb: prevaricate
1) Be deliberately ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or withhold information

Example:
1) New members are welcomed to the forum, before we prevaricate on them.

 

[wbalsam1]

Verb: prevaricate
1) Be deliberately ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or withhold information

Example:
1) New members are welcomed to the forum, before we prevaricate on them.

Equivopotential
1) The strong likelihood that seasoned forum members will revert to pun and double meaning when pressed to resolve grounding, bonding and earthing issues. :wink:

 

[ramsy]

Equivopotential
1) The strong likelihood that seasoned forum members will revert to pun and double meaning when pressed to resolve grounding, bonding and earthing issues. :wink:

Similar to Ampacity, taken from Capacity. Here we have Equivopotential, taken from Equivocator
1) A respondent who avoids giving a clear direct answer.

An excellent candidate for article 100, since it would greatly clarify the primary instrument used for job security in our trade.

 

[Fulthrotl]

Bob,
I think he just knew how to speak the language that this customer understood. I could see someone responding to that kind of tactic very well.
But, it is a bluff, and is a very risky thing to do.
Getting paid would have been best.
Some customers would call a lawyer, some would just pay to have someone else come out and replace what was missing, maybe even stiff the next guy.
Most likely been doing that all of his low life.
I'm sure more than one transformer has been taken out with a 30-06

it wasn't a bluff. it was very simple. i wasn't gonna get paid. ever.
the guy was a member of the bloody turnip bill paying school of thought.

i wrote the note on the switchgear, so the NEXT electrician would know
to get the money up front, before pulling wire.

the first check bounced.
i resubmitted it.
it bounced again.

he issued a new check, with apologies.
it bounced.

he issued a third check, with profuse apologies.
i went to the branch it was drawn on, to hammer it.
it wasn't any good.

he refused to answer phone calls, or see me when i
went there in person.

he's just lucky it wasn't direct burial.

there has been some discussion about the morals
or ethics involved in this. the situation wasn't that
i kept something that HE paid for, to cover money
he owed me.

i simply reclaimed something that had been stolen
from me.

if bob feels that makes me a deadbeat, well, he is
most certainly entitled to his opinion. thanks for
the character assessment, bob. i appreciate you
taking the time to set me straight on this one.

as for the 30-06, that's only effective up to 112.5 kva.
above that, you need a 7mm remington magnum.
a barrett .50 is excessive in all cases except where
extreme prejudice exists.


randy

 

[growler]

he talked like a farmer with terminal cancer, trying to borrow money on
next years crop. eyes with a forty candlepower glow from all the cocaine
he was snorting, and a perpetually stuffy nose.

this is not a member of the community likely to call the police because
he didn't pay his bill. ....

For any of you that have trouble collecting and you notice red flags like this then just walk away. That's half the problem right there, if you know that there are all these red flags don't do the work to start with.

This will solve most collection problems.

 

[iwire]

if bob feels that makes me a deadbeat,

It is not what I think or what I said.

Where I live what you did is against the law even though you had not been paid for it. What you do is of course up to you.

 

[Sparky555]

Where I live what you did is against the law even though you had not been paid for it. What you do is of course up to you.

I've heard stories of guys that weren't paid & removed materials. They ended up in court, losing the case & paying to have another EC complete the installation as originally contracted (with lawyer fees). I never remove installed materials (it would also be a violation of the terms of my own contract). The way I keep my sanity about it is that the loss is part of my overhead, just as shoplifting is a part of a retailer's overhead.

 

[jrannis]

it wasn't a bluff. it was very simple. i wasn't gonna get paid. ever.
the guy was a member of the bloody turnip bill paying school of thought.

i wrote the note on the switchgear, so the NEXT electrician would know
to get the money up front, before pulling wire.

the first check bounced.
i resubmitted it.
it bounced again.

he issued a new check, with apologies.
it bounced.

he issued a third check, with profuse apologies.
i went to the branch it was drawn on, to hammer it.
it wasn't any good.

he refused to answer phone calls, or see me when i
went there in person.

he's just lucky it wasn't direct burial.

there has been some discussion about the morals
or ethics involved in this. the situation wasn't that
i kept something that HE paid for, to cover money
he owed me.

i simply reclaimed something that had been stolen
from me.

if bob feels that makes me a deadbeat, well, he is
most certainly entitled to his opinion. thanks for
the character assessment, bob. i appreciate you
taking the time to set me straight on this one.

as for the 30-06, that's only effective up to 112.5 kva.
above that, you need a 7mm Remington magnum.
a Barrett .50 is excessive in all cases except where
extreme prejudice exists.


randy

A .50 is a little too rare of a caliber for that kind of work. Usually everybody knows who has one.
If the guy knew the check was bad when he wrote it, that could be a felony in some states.

 

[Fulthrotl]

A .50 is a little too rare of a caliber for that kind of work. Usually everybody knows who has one.

in the late 80's, i was shooting benchrest, and there was a guy at the
200 yard range working up handloads for a barret single shot down at
the end of the firing line. he was gracious enough to let me shoot a group.
gad. the thing had a muzzle brake that was 5" square, and looked like the
arc chutes from a 3,000 amp breaker.

the gunsmith who built my benchrest rifle, also built .50's, and i toyed with
the idea of building a single shot, for 1,000 yard benchrest. the cost of
handloading deterred me, and the distance necessary to travel in the
people's republic of california to be able to shoot the beast. there isn't a
public range within 500 miles with 1,000 yard targets. shooting the beast
at a 200 yard range is pointless... the bullet cuts the same hole at 200 yards.
750 grain bullets don't wind drift much.

so i kept shooting 6mm PPC for a couple years more.... see 5 shot 100 yard
group below.... it's harder than a 5 shot group, as you have a different
aiming point for each shot.

now, the thread is completely derailed, headed god only knows where...

 

[jrannis]

in the late 80's, i was shooting benchrest, and there was a guy at the
200 yard range working up handloads for a barret single shot down at
the end of the firing line. he was gracious enough to let me shoot a group.
gad. the thing had a muzzle brake that was 5" square, and looked like the
arc chutes from a 3,000 amp breaker.

the gunsmith who built my benchrest rifle, also built .50's, and i toyed with
the idea of building a single shot, for 1,000 yard benchrest. the cost of
handloading deterred me, and the distance necessary to travel in the
people's republic of california to be able to shoot the beast. there isn't a
public range within 500 miles with 1,000 yard targets. shooting the beast
at a 200 yard range is pointless... the bullet cuts the same hole at 200 yards.
750 grain bullets don't wind drift much.

so i kept shooting 6mm PPC for a couple years more.... see 5 shot 100 yard
group below.... it's harder than a 5 shot group, as you have a different
aiming point for each shot.

now, the thread is completely derailed, headed god only knows where...

If we had a nice range here I would for sure have a .50. The 100yd we have isnt much fun at all.
Did you start in the center with that target? Looks like your scope may have creeped down a little towards the last shots. Do you load your own rounds?
Very nice shooting. Its good to see scores like that.

 

[Fulthrotl]

If we had a nice range here I would for sure have a .50. The 100yd we have isnt much fun at all.
Did you start in the center with that target? Looks like your scope may have creeped down a little towards the last shots. Do you load your own rounds?
Very nice shooting. Its good to see scores like that.

started on top left....with a 62 grain berger benchrest bullet.
for benchrest, you load the cartridges at the range, right on the
shooting line. you'll vary the powder during the day, as the temperature
changes.

rifle was a sako 6 ppc -w- 36x leupold scope. fire formed casings,
hand matched. barrel was a shilen stainless 6mm benchrest barrel.

the target was a particularly nice section of a BR-100 target.

there are ten targets like that one on a card. a perfect score is
a 50 shot quarter inch group, with different aiming points for
each shot. the innermost ring is .25" larger than the bullet diameter.
so, if you can shoot 50 shots without breaking the innermost ring,
that is a perfect score.

it's just about as difficult as bowling 50 strikes in a row, with a 1
pound ball, in a high wind, looking at the pins thru a beaker of
boiling water... a 36x scope amplifies heat waves coming off the
ground on a sunny day, and for that matter, heat waves off of
a hot gun barrel..... in the summer, the mirage thru the scope can
get so bad it's difficult to even find the target.

randy