NEC 2023 Article 210.8- GFCI Protection for Appliances

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Grasshopper has much to learn about code cycles.

Which one are you referring to? The OP explicitly says "GFCI protection per NEC 2023".

 

[ramsy]

Which one are you referring to? The OP explicitly says "GFCI protection per NEC 2023".l

You took the pebbles out of grasshopper’s hand.

 

[Jaybone812]

I believe (D) addresses both dwelling and non dwelling.

You’re right it absolutely does , but (d) does not address a washing machine /clothes washer it only addresses a clothes dryer in terms of laundry

 

[Jaybone812]

You took the pebbles out of grasshopper’s hand.

You need to learn which editions you’re references come from because the e 2023 nec is specifically referenced and you do not quote the 2023 nec so you’re wrong, no matter how many times you say otherwise that fact does not change

 

[Jaybone812]

Which one are you referring to? The OP explicitly says "GFCI protection per NEC 2023".

Apparently ramsy is correct because he says he is doesn’t matter what the nec says lol

 

[Jaybone812]

You took the pebbles out of grasshopper’s hand.

So which location does (b)(11) reference again ??

 

[Jaybone812]

I believe (D) addresses both dwelling and non dwelling.

A hardwired commercial clothes washer would have to be in a specific appliance listed in (d) to require gfci protection if hardwired though and I believe that may have been the point you were trying to make my bad if I misunderstood you !

 

[ramsy]

You need to learn which editions you’re references ..so you’re wrong,

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[infinity]

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Yes we can see that you're referencing the 2020 NEC under your occupation but the question was asked specifically about the 2023 NEC not the 2020. It would be helpful to tells us that your response is based on the 2020 if that is the code cycle you're citing.

 

[Jaybone812]

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And apparently the fact he specifically asks about the 2023 nec is beyond your level of comprehension because the edition is your profile is irrelevant to the question since he asked about the 2023 cycle specifically. He did not ask about the adopted cycle in your profile . Give it a rest and just admit you’re incorrect or simply dead the issue . You can’t make the answer right just because you want it to be

 

[Jaybone812]

Yes, unless hardwired
see 210.8(B)(11) for receptacles

The clothes dryer was added to 210.8(D), the expanding list of appliance outlets, which includes hardwired

So you you cite a 2020 reference for other than dwelling unit laundry areas, then direct the op to (d) for protection of specific appliance outlets like clothes dryers, but a clothes dryer does not exist in (d) of 2020 because (d) of 2020 simply directs you to 422.5(a) for the list of those appliances . 210.8(d) did not actually include the names of the any of the those specific appliance outlets until the 2023 edition. So you completely contradict any argument your making

 

[ramsy]

.. if hardwired though and I believe that may have been the point you were trying to make my bad if I misunderstood you !

Neither did Post #2 deceive you by clarifying “hardwired,”

Much less by “clothes dryer was added to 210.8(D), the expanding list of appliance outlets”

Which refers to code cycle changes.

But since you prefer the teachings of other masters, go forth and find your path with them.

 

[Jaybone812]

Neither did Post #2 deceive you by clarifying “hardwired,”

Much less by “clothes dryer was added to 210.8(D), the expanding list of appliance outlets”

Which refers to code cycle changes.

But since you prefer the teachings of other masters, go forth and find your path with them.

Enlighten me as to what you’re teaching anybody on this thread ? You’re simply citing code references from a code cycle that is not applicable to the question that was asked . If that’s the type of educator you are you’re , nobody should take anything you claim to be teaching seriously or apply it to anything they do in the field at all

 

[don_resqcapt19]

The purpose of a class A GFCI is to protect personel from Shock hazards per NEC 210.8 Can we agree on that? Shock hazards exist wether appliances are hard wired or cord-and plug connected. Provide GFCI protection for appliances branch circuit or outlet, either way per 210.8

There has never been any technical justification provided for requiring GFCI protection for hardwired equipment other than the required EGC might be compromised. There is no shock hazard that a GFCI will clear with hardwired equipment that has the code required EGC.

 

[Jaybone812]

There has never been any technical justification provided for requiring GFCI protection for hardwired equipment other than the required EGC might be compromised. There is no shock hazard that a GFCI will clear with hardwired equipment that has the code required EGC.

Which is what confuses me about the possibility of this revision. Since there is no substantial proof of risk that would be corrected or should I say prevented by incorporating a gfci , then how did this even make it passed the first draft to begin with . Having a hard time seeing a valid point

 

[Jaybone812]

There has never been any technical justification provided for requiring GFCI protection for hardwired equipment other than the required EGC might be compromised. There is no shock hazard that a GFCI will clear with hardwired equipment that has the code required EGC.

Disregard my previous comment . . I thought I was comment on a differnt thread . Apologies!