Nec 210.8 (a)(6)

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Was the intent of the code to have all 120v receptacle outlets on kitchen counter be GFCI type or receptacles protected by a GFCI type circuit breaker? I see in the field where the first receptacle on a circuit is a GFCI type and the rest are standard receptacles. I don't believe this meets the intent of 210.8(A)(6).
 
The intent is to provide GFCI protection.

How that gets done is up to the installer / designer.

GFCI main breaker in the panel, a GFCI breaker for the circuit, a GFCI receptacle protecting the rest of the circuit or a GFCI receptacle for every outlet. Any of those ways will meet the requirement.
 
Look at the last words of 210.8(A), just before the "(1) Bathrooms." It says that you need to provide "ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel." It does not tell us how to do that. A GFCI receptacle with one or more standard receptacles downsteam does meet the letter of the code. In my opinion, it also meets the intent.
 
Frivera,

This is an industry standard in all parts of the country as far as I know, what part is it that you think fails to qualify? I'm not attacking, just curious.
 
just for the record I use the breakers..the first sign of problems with an appliance on a holiday season and poof no more gfci outlet..so much for personal prtection..
 
frivera said:
...I see in the field where the first receptacle on a circuit is a GFCI type and the rest are standard receptacles. I don't believe this meets the intent of 210.8(A)(6).
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In my area it is standard practice as well. Breakers cost around $30.00 each whereas GFCI's cost around $10.00 each. Some GFCI's had the word "feedthru device" printed on them or in their data sheet.

As long as it meets code thats money you save. I wouldn't sacrifice safety for the money mind you.
 
cschmid said:
just for the record I use the breakers..the first sign of problems with an appliance on a holiday season and poof no more gfci outlet..so much for personal prtection..
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Why would breaker provide more protection than a receptacle? IMO it's much easier to reset something (receptacle) at point of use than it is to find a CB located in a panel somewhere.
 
Rob they only rest them couple of times, ladies complain and out to shop goes handyman and in goes regular outlet and GFCI gone..Dinner is now on time everytime, no more pesky GFCI on 20 dollar cooker problem solved..;)
 
cschmid said:
Rob they only rest them couple of times, ladies complain and out to shop goes handyman and in goes regular outlet and GFCI gone..Dinner is now on time everytime, no more pesky GFCI on 20 dollar cooker problem solved..;)
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You may be right. But I don't know if I've ever tripped a GFCI in my kitchen so I'm unsure how many resets the thing actually has. But for the record, I was under the impression that the manufacturer wanted monthly testing. In your scenario the receptacles wouldn't last very long if they were test once a month.
 
I'm willing to bet that the average homeowner does not know about the monthly test requirement. I do know for a fact as I have many time gone to a house for a service call on the gfi and the homeowner had no idea what the buttons were for and would not touch them if they did. I worked in a high retirement town and got to the point where I would just talk them thru the proces on the phone and tell them to have a nice day.
 
infinity said:
Why would breaker provide more protection than a receptacle? IMO it's much easier to reset something (receptacle) at point of use than it is to find a CB located in a panel somewhere.
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I have had GFCI recepticals fail due to a direct fault, but never a breaker. The breakers seem more robust.
 
I don't know how many service calls I have been on where someone has tested an outlet accidently with their thumb while plugging something in - that said - I often GFI thru recepts on a regular basis. Unless the recepticals are a special finish - then I use CB's..... Nothing like special order GFI's for "taupe"....:mad:
 
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