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First I should say I agree entirely with 480 and thanks for the pictures as well. Just to add some info from another direction this rule coincides with the 6' cords provided on appliances. Just as the kitchen counter spacing requirements coincide with the cord length provided on kitchen appliances.

I also agree that going 12' exactly is not the best design and holding back to say 10' or spacing for the conditions you see will make the customer happier.
 
iwire said:
I also agree that going 12' exactly is not the best design and holding back to say 10' or spacing for the conditions you see will make the customer happier.
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Wow Bob, normally you seem like one of those "not a design manual" guys - Did you get employee of the month? :grin: :D :rolleyes:
 
Well, I figured the code side was pretty well covered by this point and it is Easter. :grin:

Here I talk code minimums every day, at work it is often well beyond that. :smile:
 
acrwc10 said:
Just curious how everyone looks at the fireplace , do you measure from the outside edge of the overall unit including the facade, or from the very edge of the firebox ? I will put one as near to the fireplace as is reasonable.
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I measure the 6' from the edge of the firebox. That's how I was taught, and I believe that the box is the actual "wall break", not any surround. JMO.
 
JohnJ0906 said:
I measure the 6' from the edge of the firebox. That's how I was taught, and I believe that the box is the actual "wall break", not any surround. JMO.
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Thats what I believe also, But... say there is 1' of wall space and 2' of surround, I generally add a receptacle because I know I would want one there.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Thats what I believe also, But... say there is 1' of wall space and 2' of surround, I generally add a receptacle because I know I would want one there.
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I would consider that 3' of wall space, therefore requiring one. Again, JMO.
 
e57 said:
Just because this person may be testing you - does not mean he knows the answers. Probably never an "Electrician" - when I think of "Rep" or "Representative" - I think - "Salesman" or other things to that and other effects....
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This is exactlly what I thought reading th OP!

This is day one of trade school NEC 101 class.

" Hello students, welcome to NEC class. Dwelling unit recepticles are required no more than 6' from the door and no more than 12' apart, and after you wrap them with tape a couple times installed ground up!" (did I say that out loud?):grin:
 
mdshunk said:
That's always a tough one. Some fireplaces can have a brick surround 20 feet wide or better. I like it best when I'm involved before the mason starts to bulild the brickwork inside.
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In my world, if there's a 20-foot brick wall, it's all done by the time I get the GC's call. :mad:
 
480sparky said:
As far as I read it, it does. But the first receptacle must be within 6' of the door. Then you go every 12' after that, and the last one must be within 6' of the door as well.

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What about a closet door? Are outlets required within six feet of it as well?
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buckofdurham said:
What about a closet door? Are outlets required within six feet of it as well?
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Yes. I just didn't think to add one when I drew that. Then you start again with 6' on the other side.
 
buckofdurham said:
What about a closet door? Are outlets required within six feet of it as well?
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Any break in the wall is going to "re-set" where you start you're measurement from. Don't forget the the fixed panel on a sliding glass door is wall space. We have had to put in floor receptacles to meet 6'-12' spacing in some house's because of this, and for the record "I hate floor receptacles" most of them never get used and become more of a trip hazard when they are used, IMO. :smile: Hpayp Esarter :smile:
 
acrwc10 said:
Any break in the wall is going to "re-set" where you start you're measurement from. Don't forget the the fixed panel on a sliding glass door is wall space. We have had to put in floor receptacles to meet 6'-12' spacing in some house's because of this, and for the record "I hate floor receptacles" most of them never get used and become more of a trip hazard when they are used, IMO. :smile: Hpayp Esarter :smile:
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You have fixed door panels that exceed 6' in width?!? Must be a heckuva door!

Don't forget that knee walls and railings count as wall space as well. If you have a railing with posts & spindles, you may need a floor outlet.
 
480sparky said:
Don't forget that knee walls and railings count as wall space as well. If you have a railing with posts & spindles, you may need a floor outlet.
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What's foggy to me is the "wall space" created by the back of a the lower cabinets under a peninsular counter space. I put one there if the lower cabinets are against a framed wall under the peninsular counter, and don't if it's just the cabinet backs themselves, even though it's functionally the same space.
 
mdshunk said:
What's foggy to me is the "wall space" created by the back of a the lower cabinets under a peninsular counter space. I put one there if the lower cabinets are against a framed wall under the peninsular counter, and don't if it's just the cabinet backs themselves.
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I just treat 'em as wall space, knowing that in those instances the barstools will cover any receps there anyway. But they're there, so if the inspector is going to require them, I'm covered.
 
480sparky said:
You have fixed door panels that exceed 6' in width?!? Must be a heckuva door!

Don't forget that knee walls and railings count as wall space as well. If you have a railing with posts & spindles, you may need a floor outlet.
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Actually Yes , we have had a few that big, very rare very expensive. But I meant you need to count that 36'' or so of fixed panel into the wall space not the door space.
 
Honestly I try to meet the intent of the code for receptacle spacing but I don't go crazy on railing spaces or back of cabinents.. Inspectors here are a little more real world orientated. Most of the time : )
 
wireman71 said:
Honestly I try to meet the intent of the code for receptacle spacing but I don't go crazy on railing spaces or back of cabinents.. Inspectors here are a little more real world orientated. Most of the time : )
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I know, but it does make for interesting stuff to talk about. I've been gigged for lack of a receptacle along a railing where a stairway came up directly into a bedroom, and I usually don't miss stuff like that.
 
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