NEC questions

[hurk27]

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By Peter: Funny thing is, it could explain why electricians in my area have a phobia about putting grounds and neutrals on the same bar in a "main" panel. I worked for someone who insisted that you "always need a ground bar!" because "the inspector said so!"

I have an inspector here that thought the same thing but did let me prove where he was going wrong. (Of course with the help of the minds here

[ November 30, 2004, 02:42 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]

 

[eprice]

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Originally posted by frani:
If you wire a loadcenter (General Electric) 100 or 200 amps with a main breaker, they come with terminal bars on both sides connected with a tye bar. As far as I understand art#408-20 to read you can install the ground and ungrounded conductors on the same terminal bars (not ground on one, ungrounded on the other ). I was told that they must be on separate terminal bars even though they are bonded together at that point.

frani,
Sorry to jump into this late, but I want to make sure there isn't a misunderstanding here. Are we discussing a loadcenter with a main breaker that is also serving as the service disconnect? Or is the service disconnect elsewhere?

 

[frani]

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Hi everyone. To answer one question at a time, yes this man teaches classes in Hartford county, and the loadcenter with the main breaker is also the first means of disconnect. It is not a sub-panel.When I pointed out the article that states that if it is identified for that purpose it is acceptable to do. What I got in return was where does it say anywhere that the bar is identified to do that.Oh well....

 

[charlie b]

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I have known people like that in the engineering side of the profession as well. You know, the ?There is the right way, and the wrong way, and the Navy way, and my way . . . . No, no, skip all that, there is only my way? kind of person. They don?t even offer ?the highway? as a viable alternative.

If someone knows a way to properly handle them, without risking arrest in this life or everlasting discomfort in the next , I?d like to hear about it.

 

[peter d]

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Originally posted by frani:
yes this man teaches classes in Hartford county,]

I'm somewhat relieved. Hartford is a good 50 minutes north of me. But, it it still a small state and it appears that this guy's mark has been left in my area.

I always wondered about the wacky inspectors around here, and now I know why?

Frani, here's one for you: Does this guy require green insulated wire for the bonding conductor around a pool?

There is an inspector in a well known town here (a disease was named after it) that requires that. It was the only reason why we stocked green solid #8 at E.W.

 

[frani]

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Peter, Not all inspectors are nuts, just most of them. HeHe!If I could pass it ANY one could! And I consider myself as "no one's home, but the lights are on!"I don't know his outlook on the bonding conductor. But.....I have never heard of having to run an insulated conductor. I sounds like he is confusing bonding and grounding which are two different things. I would not hesitate to call Bob Nuzzi the state electrical inspector.All town inspectors should be on the same page as far as requirements go. But........ then again maybe he just likes the color!

 

[peter d]

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Originally posted by frani:
I would not hesitate to call Bob Nuzzi the state electrical inspector.

Thank you for that very valuable bit of information.

All town inspectors should be on the same page as far as requirements go.

I wish that were the case around here. I routinely do my own electrical "inspections" on the new homes that are going up on my street and there are many violations that are slipping by the local inspectors, whether they are by ignorance or a payoff, I don't know. Either way it stinks!